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  • Not sure you're responding to my post, but just in case - neither would I, but it's been a while since I've had bad faith actions at my table like that. There are for sure times when discipline usage is more obvious than others, so how do you handle that? Saying no one ever knows they were Dominated is one way to go (even if it stretches belief), but the OP was asking about a middle ground. A contested roll is that middle ground, imho.

    I do admit I like the fluff that hints at clan-disciplines being more auras than active uses. Mekhet just naturally know your secrets when they are...
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  • At its core, Dominate and other control powers do take away player agency on some level and while the beat/condition system helps soften that blow, time and again I've seen inexperienced players, or players who have had bad/railroad STs in the past struggle with finding a way to enjoy mind-control.

    There will always be an instinct for victims to try and see if their character figures out their victimization. As pointed out, while subtle, Dominate isn't 100% surefire. So how do you represent that middle ground, where sometimes you can figure it out, but not others?

    I've...
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    Last edited by Holy; 11-06-2018, 10:57 AM.

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  • In my experience - convention, pickup and LARP games with a wider player base usually see the Lance as one of the least played Covenants. Especially for newer and first time players. Any intrusion of real-world religion in their fantasy game can be a deal breaker and that's hard to push back against that without, as you say, making an inadvertent statement about real world religion.

    There is nothing wrong with downscaling a Covenant the players at your table aren't going to like by default. I'd just consider upping the numbers of the Invictus to make up for that lost support, but...
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  • Lancea et Sanctum started off as my least favorite Covenant, and I really had to dig deep in order to find them interesting. A lot of that was my own anti-religious experiences, and on a quick read they just seem like mean vampire Catholics.

    But perhaps lost in some of the rhetoric of Satchel's responses - Indiana Jones is pretty close to a 2E Sanctified. He is a globe-trotting adventurer who finds religious artifacts and lost lore - and teaches some, while stockpiling the rest in a warehouse so Nazis can't get it.

    Another big aspect that got me to come around to the...
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  • Holy
    replied to Seductive beast
    Seductive Beast / Wanton does not exclusively mean a sexual temptation, though that is likely the most common form. It's also about escapism, indulgence and gratification in various forms.

    I think you could spin it in that situation for a temptation toward forgiveness / closure. "Just admit what you did. No more games, no more bullshit. Get it out. Don't you know how good you'll feel when that's done? Don't you want to stop living with this on your back, always looking behind you? Talk to me, right here, right now. Just the truth."

    Though if you were really...
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