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  • Traditionalists I agree. However, can same logic be applied on collaborating with the vampires for business?


    I have no objections whatsoever. Disbursements don't make money - instead it manages, defends, and nurtures Syndicate's Ventures and inspect its growth, as you have already elaborated.



    Now I suppose "node location security" and "our allies" are probably not so different after all....
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  • Wow. You are all awesome. Thank you guys. Thank you very much.

    Just two more questions. Why the Syndicate is collaborating with some elder vampires and occasional Traditionalists without any hesitation or compunction for the sake of so-called "business"? It can be seen as treason from other elements in the Union. Have they no principles or moral compass as members of the Union? What could the Syndicate gain from it? They are toxic partners at the best of times. Is it worth to take risks? And in any case, what business needs Deviant's assistance to flourish? Is Syndicate...
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  • Technocracy is, technically(no pun intended), a "legitimate" opaque world government. Queen Victoria ratified the Technocratic Union and it served as shadowy counterpart of British and Continental Europe governments and implemented its internal, exterior and foreign policy....
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  • Hmm. I have always deemed it as retcon. I'm introduced in WoD after release of revised edition. I have learned revised first of all and then read original...and thought revised being the most 'canon' except its various crossover materials....
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  • I have never said SPD does "own" Pentex or something remotely like it. I know it has been was started as basically joint North American Proctor House-Pentex project.

    But AFAIF, Syndicate merged Proctor House and Primium Oil somewhere in early 20th century and created Pentex. I think I have to re-check SyndConv to be certain. Unfortunately, it is currently unavailable....
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  • Interesting. I will find those mentions if I have opportunity.


    Oops. Typo. Again. Yes, Hang it I fully intend to say Book of the Wyrm.



    I also remember that passage. Hmm...like I said, I really hate Technocracy-Pentex crossover. Sadly, it seems almost "official" the Syndicate founded and nurtured Pentex through Enlightened corporate merger and investment.

    And suddenly, they lost contact with the Pentex. And SPD functioned as its window to the Pentex. And they allowed it and did nothing about this development. Effectively, they...
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  • Of course every living human being except Ghoul is going to be completely cool with that and its going to work out for the Technocracy just fine to combat apocalyptic undead menace pervading every facet and layer of society and walk of life.

    They probably even admire the shadow government hell-bent on utterly eradication of global undead menace living in their midst and preying upon them each and every night....
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  • No. Vampires have embedded ghouls in select areas - in other worlds, positions can exert most handy influence over local city and protect their masters and provide masters' needs and check masters' rivals.
    Oh, wait, in case of Giovanni, they embed ghouls to support their necromancy researches and fund it.

    In personal, Vampires are always acting shadowy on the surface level. Always....
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  • It is no small wonder werewolves even know "Pentex" as a coherent entity. And how those subsidiaries get their names dropped in other games? I have only seen SPD in Mage lines. It is a honest question - I'm really curious.




    Oops. My bad. Yeah, Garou and Fera is still more prominent in the wild and countryside.




    That is mentioned in BoW. However, BoW also explicitly states Pentex does not really know anything about vampires and mages...and even their knowledge about werewolves is patchy at best, despite of its BSD presence....
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  • Indeed. If the Technocracy is as powerful, colossal and far-reaching as Mage portrays it, there is no way other "major" supernaturals are utterly blind of its very existence while Technocracy collects extensive(and mostly accurate) intelligence regarding its antagonists.

    This would be applied equally true to the Pentex, Camarilla and Garou Nation. If they are as powerful as their own lines' portrayal, every other supernatural faction has to know their existence and activities. However, werewolves are considering vampires as mere abominable vermin and aberrant distraction....
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  • Lets be clear. At worst, even if existence of Technocracy is made public, it simply proves crack conspiracy theorists claim of "shadow government" or "New World Order". And it is the worst case scenario.

    And if the public suddenly possess complete knowledge of vampire shadow government malevolent literal bloodsucking conspiracy(Camarilla), world-wide psychopathic malefic criminal bloodsucking gangs(Sabbat), deviant, deranged, corrupt cannibal bloodsucking necromancy-incest-bankers(Giovanni, and they are deviant in every imaginable way), diabolic bloodsucking opium...
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  • You don't need to feel sorry at all. I appreciate your opinion. ...
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  • They know Sabbat and other sects and how they are operating. They know each sect's feudal structure and society. They know Tremere. They know thaumaturgy and arguing about why it does not violate reality. They know how Tremere was corrupted. They deal with vampire in friendly term, even though vampires are woefully blind of existence of the Syndicate, let alone the Technocracy. They infiltrate in vampire society and feed information in various sects and parties. They research and categorize every known type of vampire.

    Then, it is only probable the Technocracy know each sect and ...
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  • You know how the Technocracy recruits, right? They don't live in shadow like the vampires. They are government. They are corporation. They are academia. They are science community. They are mass media. They are military, and so on. Most Technocrats operate in daylight. They merely have another, 'true' identity. Just like RW special agencies.

    Sleepers work for the Technocracy while are not aware of its 'true' nature, just like Pentex. Technocracy is always acting openly on the surface level. Always....
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  • The Union does not need to know full extent of the leech population. A dozen or so Ravnos and Sabbat's rampaging is perfect clause to declare total war against bloodsuckers. And while the Union does not have exact number, they know there are 'countless leeches' in 'every major population center'. They are fully aware of each vampire sect, clan, bloodline and its traits, proclivities, characteristics, assets, influence and modus operandi. They already have more than enough knowledge to devise sound, comprehensive strategy to scour the leeches from face of the Earth.

    I still cannot...
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  • What do you mean? Why it ends badly for the Technocracy? If humanity know existence of both vampires and the Technocracy, they will side with the latter. And it does not seem likely that the Technocracy has to come out the shadows to broadcast existential threat of bloodsucking leeches.

    And Consensus is to be damned. If the Union is forced to choose between Consensus and the world, they will gladly choose the world....
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  • Void Engineers know. And their hatred against vampires burns bright.

    And of course, NWO is well aware of what Zapathasura truly is. In fact, they know vampire prophecies and Book of Nod.



    So lack of knowledge is no excuse....
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  • If I have a grievance at revised CB, it is Union's party line and general perspective against vampires has not been changed much, despite of Operation Ragnarok and Dimensional Anomaly. It is only reasonable that after the Reorganization, Union has to deactivate Pogrom and allying with every other faction and go all-out war against vampires with every available asset, including make existence of vampire public.

    No matter vampires brainwashing power, Union simply broadcasts credible evidence across every single media and activates global mobilization....
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  • Several questions regarding the Syndicate(and others)

    Currently I'm re-reading revised CB to Technocracy play. And I have discovered a number of intriguing statements related to the Syndicate. Here are some of the most curious.

    Every answer, help, advise, opinion, supposition, speculation and conjecture would be gladly appreciated.


    Syndicate to Iteration X:

    Does that mean the Syndicate is controlling and directing all the world's financial institution and subcontracting the security work to the Iteration X? Or they are merely arranging those institutions' contract with the Iterators?

    Syndicate...
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  • Indeed. Some NWO Operatives give intel or aids to mortal and Imbued Hunters. They also continuously feed other sects' movements to Camarilla. However, I suspect they are not above to take more direct measure when things spinning out of control.

    According to the Syndicate CB,


    Obviously, 'other Conventions' include NWO. Though I think Syndicate would prefer Iteration X or Progenitors to perform cleanup operation....
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