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[AkatsukiLeader13]

The Technocracy, probably the New World Order. Always pick the winning side.

[AkatsukiLeader13]

The Craftmasons didn't become the NWO, the Cabal of Pure Thought did. First they became the secular Lightkeepers then they got involved in a secret of British police detectives called the Skeleton Keys and became the NWO.

We're not entirely sure what exactly happened with the Craftmasons with their destruction as some accounts contradicting each other, there seems to be two main lines of thought, either the Craftmasons were utterly wiped out or that some survived and were absorbed into the High Guild. Hell, the Technocracy Reloaded manuscript has only two mentions of them, one of...

[AkatsukiLeader13]

Yeah, I'm going to echo the statements I said in that thread, a modern TCW would not be a clean divide along Convention lines because none of the Conventions are a monolith. It will be a messy divide between beliefs within the Union as a whole.

As I see it, that divide would likely be between two particular things, either what they want to do with the Mages and Supernaturals, and what they want to do about the state of the Masses right now. Though in either case it would more or less be a fight between Moderates and Conservatives.

For example, in the Rev Ed CBs, the...

[AkatsukiLeader13]

I don't think the GC ever brings up specifically when the Feast happened as the GC start in the 1400s if I remember correctly as the first book ends with the diablerie of Cappadocious....

[AkatsukiLeader13]

Lore of the Bloodlines doesn't give a definitive date. In fact, it goes out of it's way to muddy things by revealing that the memories of the elder Harbingers were damaged due to their time in the Shadowlands and throwing in contradictory stories. And frankly the Harbingers don't really care when the Feast happened. It happened and the Giovanni stole their chance for vengeance, that's what matters to them.

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There's a lot of vagueness in general about how HD collect the newly risen. Some time it seems like they don't know until torn up bodies start appearing, other times they're on them within hours or minutes of their rising. So I have taken a middle with that, where the HD have long, long since developed a practice of binding spirits to places where bodies tend to end up, graveyards, notorious dumping areas for bodies, bridges known for being a suicide hotspot, etc. so that they will be alerted quickly when one of their own rises. Basically similar to a thing the Werewolves do with their younger...

[AkatsukiLeader13]

That too. Like I said, the French Revolution could be it's own book and honestly I'm kind of surprised that TC3 is the only WW/OPP book to tackle it. It's a fascinating era that is fertile ground for multiple lines across both the WoD and the CofD.

[AkatsukiLeader13]

True but different cultures will flavor how they view the Thousand Hells. For example among the Abrahamic Religions, the Thousand Hells could be seen as one Hell made up of a thousand domains, ruled over demon lord subordinates to Lucifer.

Hell, what if part of the reason the HD existence was able to spread was that the Yama Kings sought to expand their influence across the world, adopting the aspects and guises from figures from beliefs and myths outside of Eastern Asia, spreading their taint and corruption. And of course, others following in the footsteps of Mikaboshi (a mortal...

[AkatsukiLeader13]

Yeah, while I do like both the TC and GC, I like the GC a little more, mostly for it's start and the twist of the last book. And that it didn't jump the shark like the TC's ending did.



Well I think that may be because the TC and GC often times feel like a railroad, giving you only a brief tour through these things as you deal with the overall plot. For some things, it's alright but for others it's kind of annoying. Like the Convention of Thorns only spans a handful of nights and run by Elders far more powerful than the PCs so it's okay for it to feel more on rails....

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Actually, that's kind of part of my VtM headcanon when I run games. That anyone, anywhere could rise as a Kuei-jin, with some areas being more prone to that than others. It's just that their societies that survived and thrived were those that rose in India and Eastern Asia. Those in other areas were long ago destroyed and largely forgotten about by Cainites before they had chance to really thrive. If one rises in Cainite regions outside Kuei-jin communities are either mistaken for Cainites that have either entered frenzy or become a wight, or if they overcome their initial frenzy upon rising,...