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  • Welp... We've got another Gardener on our hands....
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  • Actually the book says:



    Further it's bio in the NPC section describes it as being 'conjured' by the Technocracy.

    So yeah, it doesn't really come across as something created by the Technocracy. It's just another weird relic of the First Edition when they were still setting things out and not really something that they would do in the game as it currently is....
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  • Which Edition?
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  • What about the Anarch Tzimisce in V20?...
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  • AkatsukiLeader13
    replied to Victorian Mage
    Yeah it is depressing that the x20 edition is pretty much dead, especially after the mess that was V5's early days. Though I will admit, I am hopeful that they can turn it around and certainly OPP's work on V5 has shown promise. And of course it's going to be years before we see M5*.

    But all that interesting x20 potential that was going on is now down the drain. For M20 besides TR and Vic Mage, I was looking forward to an update for the Crafts/Disparate Alliance as well those new Crafts that were name dropped in M20. Especially the Mirainohmen as I'm long time fan of the SMT/Persona...
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  • AkatsukiLeader13
    replied to Victorian Mage
    It was. If I remember right, both TR and Vic Mage were announced with the M20 KS. And I'm pretty such a Vic Mage treatment from one of the guys that worked on MtAs kicking around on the internet for longer than that.

    Frankly it's not surprising as it was an important era for MtAs. The Order of Reason and it's Conventions were becoming the Technocracy and the modern Conventions as their ascendancy became clear to all. The Batin were leaving the Traditions while the ground was being laid for the SoE and VA to eventually fill the empty seats....
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  • AkatsukiLeader13
    replied to Wraith 5?
    Game mechanics aside, that stuff is the metaplot of Orpheus which as I said, does require the metaplot of WtO. But the Orpheus Group and the events that led to it's creation happened well before the 6GM. It's why the Orpheus appendix can exist in Wr20, because the Orpheus Group and projectors in general didn't require the 6GM unlike with HtR, DtF and MtR. And if the 6GM didn't happen, the Orpheus Group, their competitors and the Flatliners would still exist because all that stuff was happening in the mid-90s, several years before the 6GM happened....
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  • AkatsukiLeader13
    replied to Wraith 5?
    Orpheus didn't kill Wraith. Wraith was killed several years before Orpheus came out in Ends of Empire, which was part of the Revised Edition start as well what caused the new Revised Era lines of Hunter, Demon and Mummy but not Orpheus. While the metaplot events were started by those events, Orpheus and the titular Orpheus Group pre-exist the end of WtO.

    In fact, you could completely remove the Sixth Great Maelstrom (and for that matter the other Great Calamities of 1999) and Orpheus would still exist in-universe.



    Indeed. People forget but the Orpheus...
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