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  • Not a particular family, no; the Nunnehi as a whole.

    Any differences?...
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  • What Fearful Symmetry: the Thallain

    This thread is intended to provide a place to post your home-made Thallain Kiths, and/or any Thallain-related house rules you may have, and any observations you might have concerning the Thallain. In short, it's All Things Thallain.

    To start, here are the Kiths that have Thallain counterparts:
    Kithain Thallain
    Boggan Boggart
    Clurichaun Bodach
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  • My inclination would be to treat “Chimerical” Kithain as Dark-Kin. Follow all of the rules for the Dark-Kin, but substitute a Kith in place of the Adhene.
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  • Mummy Sahus and Wraith Eidolons do each bear some resemblance to the Avatar in their own way; but I'm unconvinced that they're the same thing. Ultimately though, it's a moot point: there are no Awakened mummies or wraiths, as they lose whatever it is that lets one access the Spheres when they become mummies or wraiths, if not sooner. With the sole and arguable exception that Enginseer-42 pointed out, I stand by my original assertion: you need to be human to be a Mage. (I say “arguable exception” because a case could be made that those constructs who have Avatars are humans, despite their artificial...
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  • You know, strictly from a thematic point of view it always bothered me that Wraith wasn't the last of the original five gamelines. OPP has corrected this issue, however unintentionally....
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  • The Awakened are essentially a transplant of Hunter: the Reckoning's protagonists: ordinary humans empowered by a cosmic force to oppose monsters.

    Mages? I employ a small hack for them, which I'll get to shortly. As written, they're an adaptation of ChroD's mages, with their five-fold divide exactly mirroring Mage: the Awakening's Paths. In MtAw, the protagonists draw their power from a “Supernal World” encompassing five Realms (one per Path) that act as a sort of “source code” for reality. If I recall correctly, MCWoD doesn't get into any of that; it just says “spellcasters,...
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    Arete is a ten-dot trait. Spheres are arguably five-dot traits, with an optional expansion to six or more dots that requires something more than just Arete 6+, if they are allowed at all. (In Horizon, that “something more” was a vague “centuries of study”; Masters of the Art tried to make it merely a matter of experience points, but you've nicely illustrated why that doesn't work.)

    Put another way, Arete 6+ doesn't automatically mean Spheres 6+. What it does mean is dice pools up to 10 for casting....
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    I like that the Idran Pillar write-ups make it easy to map their capabilities onto the Spheres — though I get Ajax's point about losing some of the “built-in Focus” flavor. Still, the most important part is still there: what you can do with the Pillars is tailored according to the principles of magic that the Foundation represents. I think they could do better than the near-direct cut-and-paste used there; in the hypothetical DA:M20, I'd want them to try for a balance between “Oh; this part of this Pillar works just like this part of that Sphere” and strictly Practice-centric lingo....
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  • On the subject's title, the mention of “other Pantheons” made me think of Scion. Tuatha/Fomorians are one set of Gods/Titans in that game, and other Pantheons had their own Gods/Titans pairs. Given Changeling's historical bias toward British Isles mythology among the Kithain, I tend to think that other kinds of Fae would be associated with other Pantheons. In Scion terms, changelings would be Lesser Immortals. And Thallain would be Titanspawn.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to It's out!
    I think that much could be done to mitigate the “Arcadian Sidhe are villains” vibe if there's some tangible benefit that comes with rule by the Resurgent Houses. With that, you have a mixed bag where the downsides of a bunch of sanctimonious jerks forcing you to serve them is offset somewhat by the advantages that come with service to them; without that, you just have sanctimonious jerks forcing you to serve them.

    Tangible benefits for service to the Resurgent Houses also opens up the possibility of formerly Commoner motleys willingly signing up with the returned Nobility. That...
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  • Egad! Do we have the Triat invading Changeling now? Banality = Weaver, Bedlam = Wyld, Nightmare = Wyrm?
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  • Dataweaver
    commented on a Visitor Message From Ajax
    OK; that qualifies as a credible “price of admission” testimonial. I'll see about buying the PDF as soon as possible.

    Also: my copy of Lo8MD is a physical book that's in storage. But I'm also a proud owner of the C20 pdf, which includes the Hsien and their magic.
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  • Ajax
    Ajax posted a Visitor Message for Dataweaver
    I wish I had the pdf of the book. I would find some way to excerpt the relevant portion (not small, but not overly huge) and get it to you. I think it would be very useful to some of the ideas you've floated vis-a-vis some different ways to tackle Mage magic in the past.

    I dunno if you have access to old CtD materials, but another interesting system with some useful parallels is the magic system for the changelings in Land of 8 Million Dreams. It has some very interesting ways to make the stuff that ends up in "Focus" in Mage matter very much in the form of making generating...
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  • How would the New Dawn work? Like the girl from Tron: Legacy?
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    “combines elements of…” Is that your take on it, or is that from the book? Because given the Fate keyword for Deva, I'd expect it to tap into Entropy, too — but only in the sense of reading and manipulating fates.

    In what ways are these Sphere/Pillar hybrids?
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to 2e Suppliments
    Player's Guide: 2e has a very rigid powers system. Two Transmutations per Refinement (one unique, one shared), four Alembics per Transmutation (which is tied to there being three Roles per Refinement), four powers per Alembic (arranged on a zero-to-three ladder: the persistent effect and three Distillments). Even the Bestowments are rigid compared to 1e: you get exactly one of them, ever. I'd like to see the Player's Guide inject some more flexibility.

    Night Horrors: let's see a wider variety of beasties. Not just updated versions of 1e's monsters, but new creatures that demonstrate...
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    I've heard of it; but no, I haven't seen it. Vampire isn't my thing, and I'm not going to buy the book for one section in it unless and until I hear from credible sources that it's worth the price of admission all on its own.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    Personally, I wouldn't mind a reimagining of the Foundation-and-Pillars system that builds off of M20's magic system: have the mechanics for working magic be the same as in M20 (to the extent that M20 has a single set of mechanics for working magic) with the same sort of “optional rules” boxes that M20 used to incorporate MRev mechanics. For instance, the default assumption would be that you do your Foundation to work magic, and that you can't raise our use a Pillar higher than your Foundation; but there would be boxes suggesting the ability to use Foundation+Pillar dice pools or the freedom...
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to Mystery/Meta Spheres.
    I prefer the term Composite Spheres. That said, I prefer my Traditions to have Sphere variants to represent the special insights that one Tradition might have concerning a particular Sphere above and beyond what the Traditions as a whole know about it; and I like my non-Traditions having whole systems of magic with their own organizing principles that don't neatly line up with the Spheres. For instance, the Technocracy ....
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  • It's no more grimdark than what the Arcadian Sidhe do in C20 — less so, in fact, as there's an implication that the Arcadian Way might murder the human soul of the body that the Sidhe comes to reside in.
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