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  • Yeah; so far, none of the ChroD gamelines have received Kickstarters. It's looking like Hunter 2e might; but even if it does, the ChroD KS thing is currently operating on a case by case basis....
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  • I've got a different opinion. Namely, it's slow. Nearly everything in both issues has been people sitting or standing around and talking. Visually, we've had as much focus on a woman pouring a glass of alcohol and drinking it as we've had on Engineer in action. Granted, a lot of setup is being done; but it's being done in the form of infodumps.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to Witches
    Has anyone suggested using the monster templates and Dread Powers from Mortal Remains?
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Makes sense. Given how diverse non-Supernal supernatural phenomena are, not restricting it to exclude all sorts of supernatural would pretty much defang Quiescence....
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    The good news for hunters is that while mages collectively can do pretty much anything, an individual mage is considerably more limited: not every mage has every Arcanum, and only two Arcana are freely available. The bad news is that your typical hunter doesn't know that. Still, if your cell is only going up against one mage, it may be possible for them to figure out what he can and can't do (once they've found a way around the memory loss constraint, of course), as well as what he's likely and unlikely to do: when you've got praxes and rotes, you have a tendency to prefer them over other spells,...
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Likewise — although I still don't see any problem with an After Action Report Tactic that doesn't restore memories but does allow the cell to piece together what actually happened, especially since a single member who develops Fitful Slumber can provide more reliable information to the cell with less effort.
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    Last edited by Dataweaver; 03-07-2017, 09:07 PM.

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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    It has always been an option to not use crossover material — or any other material, for that matter.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Or otherwise start seeking out ways to offset the mage's advantage. There's a whole conspiracy with an Endowment designed to give mages heartburn, for instance.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    There's a reason the devs have described XOC as their most ambitious project to date.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Oh, you should certainly acknowledge that. But if that's all you do, you're doing a disservice to the XOC readership. You should then take it to the next level and address why someone might want to do such a crossover anyway and how to make it work....
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Unlikely, as that would demonstrate an appalling lack of imagination.

    For my part, I've been resistant to a whole cell of hunters starting out as Sleepwalkers, without a reasonable in-story justification for it. But between Fitful Slumber and the ability to ascend the tiers and eventually pick up Endowments, there are reasonable ways for everyone in a cell to acquire Sleepwalker status — and that's without seeing what H2e or XOC will bring to the table.

    I'm sure there will be fluff-oriented stuff in there. But my understanding is that one of the motivating factors behind...
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    dourden: note that, officially at least, the default hunter is not immune to the Lie. That said, hunters who survive confronting Supernal and/or Abyssal threats long enough can purchase the Fitful Slumber Merit, which nullifies the Abbysal shard in their soul.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Which is why I'm interested in seeing what they come up with in Crossover Chronicle....
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    I don't. Mage vs. Hunters is an uphill battle for the hunters; but that's why I mentioned that Hunter is quite often about being in over your head. As well, mage as “monster of the week” (err, story) is a bad choice. Such a conflict more naturally revolves around a Chronicle, with the hunters starting out going up against the mage's Mystery Cult while the mage initially dismisses the hunters as “just Sleepers” not worthy of her attention. By the time you reach the climax of the Chronicle, the mage will have reason to regret underestimating them....
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    You're still looking at it from the perspective of Mage protagonists. But what if the hunters are the protagonists?
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    That's one possibility. Another possibility is the Fitful Slumber Merit: though the hunters started out as Sleepers, repeated exposure to Supernal magic has turned them into Sleepwalkers.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Turning this around, hunters are often portrayed as being in over their heads. A Chronicle where a hunter cell investigates a Mystery Cult with the intent of dismantling it could easily lead them into conflict with an Awakened mage with influence over said cult. And while the most likely outcome would be the cell getting trounced, the mage's own hubris might work to their favor leading her to consistently underestimate them. I mean, they're just Sleepers; how dangerous can they be?
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Well, it's now an issue for Crossover Chronicle to deal with. Given Dave's previous stance on the issue (which very much aligns with your position), I won't be surprised if XOC opens its Mage/Hunter section with something to the effect of “the hunters will get curbstomped”; what I'm going to be most interested in is what comes after that.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to The Lie and The Vigil
    Heh. Yeah; and since then, the info we have to work with has evolved considerably. M2e is out, and includes a Merit for Sleepwalkers that says that you can become a Sleepwalker after repeated exposure to Awakened Magic; H2e is in the works, and we now know that the Code will be a more central aspect in 20th than it was in 1e; and finally, Crossover Chronicle has been announced, which is likely to be the true home of actual Mage/Hunter crossover issues.


    ★ though I'm still if the opinion that a hunter shouldn't need to become a Sleepwalker to deal effectively with Magic.
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  • Dataweaver
    replied to Which New Pantheons do you want?
    One thing this thread has impressed on me is just how many potential Pantheons there are: the devs are unlikely to run out any time soon. With that in mind, I'd be curious to know which Pantheons you don't want to see (or at least which ones you're fine with being postponed indefinitely), and why not. Try to focus on Pantheons that you like, but would still not recommend because they are in some way problematic and/or redundant.
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