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I would also add on the Genius point that somebody made the Deviants; and while the default assumption is that it was the work of a Conspiracy, that's not always the case. Sometimes, it's an individual. Though technically, that's more “Deviant-adjacent” than Deviant-proper — more like how ghosts don't have their own gameline in the Chronicles of Darkness, but exist in a Geist-adjacent role.

And for Princess: technically, Buffy the Vampire Slayer could be treated as a Princess.

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Two points: first, I recall the original Deviant developer saying that one of his design goals was to make Deviant so flexible that it could be used as a sort of catch-all for the various monster types that don't fit the other splats. The fact that it can handle everything from the Invisible Man and the Island of Doctor Moreau to Robocop and Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a testament to this.

Second, a well-designed gameline can largely cover the ground claimed by a fansplat. I definitely see Deviant doing this with at least three of them: Princess, Alien, and Genius. However, I don't...

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Yeah; Deviant really does seem to be the “…and the rest” gameline. Not to say that there's nothing else to be done; just that it's really hard to think of anything not covered (directly or adjacently) by the existing eleven....

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Titanic Scions don't necessarily have to be Born any more than regular Scions have to be....

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My two cents:

I wouldn't mind a supplement that deals with pregnancy. However, I would have a few stipulations:

1. The supplement shouldn't be about pregnancy; to the extent that pregnancy is addressed, it should be within some wider context; say, a more in-depth look at Child Mages, and finding some way to stay reasonably true to the official source material about them while fixing some of the more problematic elements such as the assertion that everyone starts out Awakened, but most are forced into Sleep sometime around their birth. (We've haggled over this issue...

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Personally, I prefer this to be a Focus driven choice, with some approaches to Magick trending toward the solitary workings while others prefer cooperative castings....

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Yeah. Even though Awakening has gone its own way since, especially in 2e, it was originally created by the former MRev development team as “what we wish we could have done with Ascension but couldn't because so much was already established before us”. With that in mind, borrowing from Awakening is a fertile source of potential M20 House Rules — and dare I say, something that I'd encourage the M5 developers to look at, too. A big difference between the two gamelines is how Awakening tries to make the Conjunctional use of Arcana the exception rather than the rule and that's something that...

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The only one of those that I have a problem with is the Fused state lasting beyond the time it takes to do the spell.

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I'll add only that Werewolf: the Apocalypse has some problematic features that are tied to the semi-hereditary nature of the Garou. When Werewolf: the Forsaken was written, it initially handled things the same way (i.e., werewolves are children of werewolves, meaning that for there to be additional generations of werewolves, werewolves had to have sex with humans or, in WtA, sometimes with wolves, and they then had to raise families complicated by the fact that werewolves and their Rage issues were involved, which all has strong overtones of abusive relationships); when the opportunity to write...

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That's why I was asking about regular scions getting access to epicenters.

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Have your throng on standby to destroy the Pandora's if your generative act fails.

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I wonder how many parts there are going to be. Also, I wonder if it's possible for a regular Scion to develop an Epicenter the way it's possible for a Titanic Scion to develop an Innate Ability.

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That's a matter of taste. But to me, it is. I don't view Hunter as essentially a crossover game, with the default antagonists being (knock-offs of) the other gamelines' protagonists; so I don't mind the core book not really dealing with (simplified versions of) vampires, werewolves, mages, etc. My view of it is that, for example, the Kindred are so focused on their own issues that they're generally just as ignorant of the sheer variety of monsters that inhabit the shadows as your average mortal is. But hunters are all too aware of just how many things there are that go bump in the night; and to...

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Then something changed since the Kickstarter. We were told then, by the book's developers, that TR was book 5. If it isn't, then there is no book 5.

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No, it's book V....

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Book five is technocracy reloaded.

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CoD mages live in a world where the gods were deposed.

Scion Sorcerers didn't necessarily steal their power; but they're treated by the gods as if they had.

The Legend trait that they have is best thought of as “borrowed Legend”; they don't actually have any Legend of their own.

The way I'd incorporate CoD-style mages into Scion would be to borrow a page from Masks of the Mythos, and give the Awakened a powerstat that functions more or less like Awareness. Gnosis is as good a name for it as any.

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I'd wait for Anima; this is very much within its wheelhouse.

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To be fair, “sets things on fire” doesn't really match up with the demons of the Inferno, name notwithstanding.


That's more or less my thought was well, which is why I was suggesting that instead of trying to faithfully recreate the other gamelines using the Horrors rules, they instead do something gameline-adjacent. And Leliel does have a point about some of the existing sample Horrors kind of filling that role, if you look hard enough. That said, I'd still like to see a Night Horrors book that makes the task easier, by explicitly organizing its sample monsters by gameline...

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Note that that only works in MRev. Before that, there was no Blessing Background; and M20 rewrote Blessing into something fundamentally different. The nearest thing that M20 has to MRev's Blessing is Enhancement; and that's Technocrats-only.

Which is ironic, because MRev's Blessing was supposed to be the mystic counterpart to Enhancement. So my proposed fix is to just expand the types of Enhancements that are allowed to include some that are suitable for mystical Foci, such as enchanted tattoos or blessings designed to empower.

Another option to consider, though, would...