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[tasti man LH]

Officially? No, they aren't. But could they be? Weeelll....



Some relevant threads here and here....

[tasti man LH]

In the sense that some of the scenes in the movie might very well be Joker embellishing what's actually happening to make himself look better. The scenes that come to mind for me

are at the end where there's that whole bit where he gets into a car crash, somehow being the only survivor, extracted out by the rioters, and being praised by them like some divine figure...even though, as has been mentioned before, the Joker himself didn't deliberately do anything to start the movement, so why should he or any of the rioters care about him to this extent?

...and rest assured, no I'm not...

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...BTW, I should note that so far we've been side-stepping the possibility of other things in the movie that might not entirely be what's actually happening. At least considering that Joker is very much an unreliable narrator.

[tasti man LH]

Even then, it depends largely on where your game is set.

If the chronicle is set entirely in Stygia? Oh yeah, be prepared for your character to constantly be on the run from the Legions and making regular visits to the local Masquer to cover up the offending Guildmarks.

But if it's a necropolis it might be a bit more different. Due to being farther away and under less direct scrutiny from the Hierarchy in Stygia, things could be a lot looser. For instance, in Book of Oblivion, the Seattle Necropolis' Alchemists are not only accepted by the Hierarchy but work hand-in-hand...

[tasti man LH]

There's no need for attitude.



Why not? Why is it suddenly forbidden/taboo to not tell a Joker origin story?...

[tasti man LH]

...ok, stop.

Did people miss the memo that the Joker movie is basically an Elseworlds story? That this is supposed to be a Joker origin tale, not the Joker origin tale?...

[tasti man LH]

Well to be honest this site's search tools are not...great for that.

Anyways, between this and your other thread, I do feel like you're missing the point of why the elements like the God-Machine and the strix are a thing. They're a kind of antagonist that PCs from whatever splats could team up and fight against, not the main antagonist that they can only fight.

Besides: it's not as if removing them utterly destroys the mechanical systems of each gameline. So if you don't want to use them, you're fine....

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I'll be honest man, this is starting to turn into a laundry list of "Why I hate Chronicles of Darkness 2e" and it's getting...silly, to say the least.

[tasti man LH]

Well, I suppose for better or for worse, the Joker is going to hold the "honor" of being a comic book movie where the action isn't a main selling point.

Make of that what you will.

[tasti man LH]

Presumably it's that those movies at least has action scenes high on spectacle to have a blast watching despite the more mature subject matter, while Joker does not.

Hard to have fun if you have scenes where your protagonist

shoots three drunk white collar workers in cold blood, strangles his adopted mom with a pillow, and shoots a TV host in the head on live TV

EDIT: Tags fixed...

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I think it has to do with the notion that "superhero/comic book movies have to be fun to watch". That that's part of the genre, and if it doesn't, it suddenly disqualifies and invalidates it from being part of the genre....

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Joker

Hmmm...it's a hard movie for me to have definitive thoughts on.

My gut says that this is a very interesting movie that leaves a lot for one to think on.

It's definitely not what I would call a "fun" movie: it's about a man that's broken from all sides and gives in to his darker half.

Phoenix absolutely does deliver a haunting, unsettling, yet enthralling performance as Arthur Fleck/Joker.

I'll admit that this is a movie I don't think people largely wanted (especially since this is being released the year Avengers:...

[tasti man LH]

Oh! Hullo surprise DE2 preview! Today it's on the Mummy cults in the Rise of the Last Imperials chapter!

[tasti man LH]

Aka: MtC2e is confirmed to be the next CofD KS after Deviant. :P

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Oh, so now we're getting into some transhumanism stuff? lol

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Wait wat. Source?...

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I was being facetious. :P...

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Oh, that old thing.

Yeah, many of the ideas she brings up had occurred to me in isolation. That Disney trying to self-critique their own history but only in a superficial way on top of still reveling in the tropes they're "critiquing" still feeling overall disingenuous.

It's not exclusive to Disney though. It was always a double-edged sword: of people trying to get companies to acknowledge and promote diversity...and that despite knowing full well it's in aim to get at their pocket change to buy their stuff, and not necessarily because they care at a personal...

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Dark Eras 2 doesn't have a KS draft to look at as there wasn't one made when its KS went live.

[tasti man LH]

Nah, that was never too surprising to me.

The line dev for Beast was also the line dev for the Changeling: the Dreaming 20th Anniversary Edition. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Beast was meant to be a way to bring in elements of Dreaming into CofD that Lost didn't already cover....