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  • Ren9077
    replied to RWBY Volume 5
    Raven isn't anti-tech because she is not ideologically opposed to technology. That is what the words mean. Remember how words have definitions? Her ideology might logically have detrimental effects on civilization if applied universally in a large area, but 1) that is a consequence of her ideology, which is a DIFFERENT THING than a feature of an ideology, and 2) she's not in charge and she won't be.

    And yeah, bandits suck and should generally be wiped out ASAP, ideologically driven or not. But this character has an interesting past and possibly hidden motives and agendas, and...
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  • Ren9077
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    One regionally-powerful bandit queen is enough to damn Remnant? Wow, Remnant is screwed.

    Again, you might have a point, if Raven was High Queen of Remnant. And got there without shifting priorities or methodology at all, continuing to rule as someone who wasn't in power, of course....
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  • Ren9077
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    Do you understand the difference between "I am ideologically opposed to a thing" and "I will not provide the ideal environment for a thing to flourish"?...
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  • Ren9077
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    I think the labels are decent enough for shorthand, but I think what I drew from that scene is more that Blake needs to label things....
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  • Ren9077
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    Assuming that everyone lives that way. Raven appears to be living out what she considers an open expression of what she considers the world to be fundamentally like. This doesn't mean she expects everyone to.

    Assuming that physical strength and prowess is the only form of strength that matters, which is apparently false, as Raven leads a group of people, mostly weaker than herself. This strongly suggests a patronage system. If you're not strong enough yourself, find a way to make yourself valuable to someone who is. That's how an inventor thrives in this model. It's not ideal,...
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  • Ren9077
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    I agree on this point, definitely. But remember the conversation between Qrow and Leo - there's a lot of truth to tell.

    Raven is an important character. She's family and former teammate to major characters, and a former member of the benevolent conspiracy. She's been hinted at here and there for ages. She's got a cool design and a backstory full of some shocking but interesting behavior. Meeting her is structured narratively to be a Big Deal. I feel it would be a waste of potential for her to be just someone who retreated when the protagonists stepped up. I at least would...
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  • Ren9077
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    Assuming, of course, that the banditry thing is her only angle. Which it might be, or it might not. We'll find out soon.

    Anyway, this whole debate about whether Raven's ideological merit seems to be rooted in in me saying something about how we don't know how we don't know how her outlook and methods were shaped by the nature of Remnant. People APPARENTLY took that to mean that it was time to debate the merits of Remnant being RULED that way. Which is not at all what I was saying.

    She may still be a generic barbarian bandit queen straight out of 1e Lunars, but I expect...
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  • Ren9077
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    No one's talking about naming her High Queen of Remnant. Jesus. No one is arguing that she's GOT A POINT, even. The argument is, whether or not she necessarily deserves summary execution based on what we currently know.

    Based on what little we actually know or can reasonably infer, she's basically the exact sort of bandit warlord that has existed in the real world for millennia. Not even notably successful, by their standards. So by those standards, yes.
    But we also know that there is substantially more to the story, and I personally think she's got too interesting a...
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  • Ren9077
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    What you are describing here is the sensible, sane position. As such, it has no value in the Ship Wars....
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  • Ren9077
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    You are not wrong in the general sense, but I'm seeing some assumptions about the specific character in question that I'm not sure are supported at this time. Maybe I missed something, but was she ever presented as anti-technology? All I am certain about is that she mistrusts the current society structure - which DEFINITELY has some real issues - and Ozpin in particular, who definitely has secrets remaining. Also, her philosophy of determination and personal achievement is not something that would have alienated, for instance, Tesla, Newton, or Ford. Maybe she goes one way or another in the...
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  • Ren9077
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    Pretty sure RT is baiting the fans with that one....
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  • Ren9077
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    While it looks pretty likely that she believes strongly in whatever specific philosophy she's endorsing, and I don't agree with it, I feel like you're making some assumptions to assist in your rush to judgment. We don't know a lot of specifics of her creed. We don't know how much of it is shaped by the specific demands of the world of Remnant. We know she used to believe in something else, and then apparently had her faith broken, specifically by Ozpin. How, and how did that lead her to who she has become?

    I'm not trying to defend her as having a valid viewpoint or anything, but...
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  • Its notable effects are to reduce number bloat and resource sink, and making specialists not quite so out of the reach of generalists, so I bet those were the reasons.

    It doesn't prevent you from playing a character as focused in one aspect of the Ability, but that style is no longer as strongly incentivised. It makes the Exalted more broadly capable in many ways....
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  • Ren9077
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    You're not wrong, but I like Qrow anyway. At least as a supporting character. He'd definitely get annoying as a long-term leader of the team - for the same reason comics often have the most powerful member written out so the other team members get some combat focus - but as a short-term member and plot mover, I think he's pretty great....
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  • Ren9077
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    There is no harm in seeing a topic you're not interested in on a forum you are, and declining to participate. I do it all the time. There are things relevant to other people's Exalted experience that I want no part of, and that's fine. Lots more topics on the board. Or I could create my own, if nothing strikes my fancy.

    To me, RWBY is an interesting source of inspiration for Exalted, partly because of commonalities that make it useful to borrow from, and partly because of differences that I'm certain I don't want to borrow, and those elements can be interesting to discuss in the...
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