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  • Most Exalted aren't best-served by throwing every available Charm onto every attack, sure. On the other hand, having a few bread-and-butter style Charms to mix into your options for Martial Arts attacks, or the opportunity to sneak in some nasty esoteric Lunar stuff with your Martial Arts, can certainly make a fight with a Lunar martial artist challenging and distinct from a Solar or Sidereal.

    Plus, the Abracapocalypse solution is occasionally appropriate and hilarious....
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  • It was the last word on the subject in 3E that I know of. To prevent weird stuff like Tyrant Lizards with oversized stat pools interacting with Charms not designed for that....
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  • Yeah, that is one heck of an excuse. Glad you're oka- *ahem* not worse.

    Interesting concept you've got here.
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  • Ren9077
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    Thank you for continuing to miss the point and misrepresent my argument....
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  • Ren9077
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    Let's try another approach.

    I recall, from discussions years ago, that marriage in the Realm was written in previous editions to be as toothless as possible, so a PC could shrug off the marriage as unimportant if it wasn't something they wanted to invest the character in. That goal, I felt, was achieved admirably. I just thought it was a crap goal. I feel that a lot of ideas carried forward into this edition are either serving the same goal intentionally, or are unexamined. I feel like this de-emphasis on marriage's importance doesn't serve a story of super-aristocracy well for...
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  • Ren9077
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    There is real legal and practical union there. The new family member is a part of their new family for all intents and purposes. If their former Clan declares war tomorrow, they are now at war with their previous family, and everyone expects them to do their part. In the Realm, this is not the case. Your fate is not tied to your partner's in a meaningful sense....
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  • Ren9077
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    There's not a world of difference in family structures in two systems, one where one party formally joins the family of the other in a huge commitment, joining their fate in the eyes of everybody to that other family, and another system in which none of that happens and you're just supposed to contribute reproductive elements to another family that could just as easily be getting that anywhere, and then you get to give your wealth to a bunch of strangers, some of whom hopefully look like you?...
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  • Ren9077
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    With little real expectation that one or both parties aren't squandering their "generative potential," that strikes me as a bit hollow....
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  • Ren9077
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    I don't think you know what that word means.

    His own House, to which he still has responsibilities...

    Actually, everything you gain from formal membership in the House is what you get from biological imperative in other settings. Like in history.



    Despite having a whole unrelated skillset of their own, which they can use to be a great asset to their House without ever having to become a serf to someone else's House They're at least twice as useful to their own House unmarried. Can't be that big a deal to get married and have kids - Immaculate...
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  • Ren9077
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    What are women gaining from marriage in this scenario? You have failed to answer this basic question. For a rather obvious reason.


    What are men gaining from marriage in this scenario? You have failed to answer this basic question. For an equally obvious but possibly more icky reasons.


    Gender-reversed without consideration of the underlying factors. It fails to address the shifted reproductive motives, and it takes extra steps to prevent the integration of families into a cohesive whole by maintaining divided loyalties. Communities in the past gained...
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  • Ren9077
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    You misunderstand the entire premise....
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  • Ren9077
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    You take the name and symbols of the agreed-upon family, instead of remaining separate. The person traded off is, for all social purposes, part of their new family, instead of a visitor with obligations, as in the Realm....
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  • Ren9077
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    Some of the writers were famously not very good.

    The very earliest story involved a character called Bayushi Kachiko. She was a seductress. A decent percentage of the first plot evolved out of how much various characters wanted her, including the young Emperor. She was, notably, the wife of the Scorpion Clan Champion, and one of the Seven Thunders....
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  • Ren9077
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    In Rokugan, samurai marriages involve one person ceremonially leaving their previous family and Clan. Which one is the result of negotiation. Goods and agreements are exchanged, creating an equitable trade for both sides. While formally, old loyalties are shed, people are known to be people, and ties are there. The reason I prefer it so much is the fact that Realm customs as presented don't unify the family in the same way.

    There is also a child fostering custom, which helps further with the hostage exchange idea....
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  • Ren9077
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    You mean the setting that had four of the Emperor's children vying for the throne, including an illigitimate son?

    It's a bit less Rated R+ than Exalted, but romance, love, and sex happening off-screen is pretty central to the story. Which, admittedly, I haven't followed for years....
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  • Ren9077
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    ... and also examples of things that you can accomplish just as well using the superior Rokugani model.
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  • Ren9077
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    An approach that I feel is served better by the Rokugani model than the Realm model as presented historically or thus far in 3e....
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  • Ren9077
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    So, you're, what, a Creationist? You believe that human beings aren't animals?...
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  • Ren9077
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    Considering that I started with "why does a woman want a husband," and you skipped that and jumped straight for "why does a man want a wife" and proceeded as if the first point had never been raised, I'm not sure I want to engage with you. The ground here doesn't feel terribly intellectually honest. And I also don't feel like writing a dissertation on the history of gender power dynamics, but so much of this... wow, thank you.

    Thanks especially for the "especially in the West." What are holidays for, if not laughter and merriment?

    In the...
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  • Ren9077
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    The Realm's wink-and-nod culture, such as what's being discussed in the Ask the Devs thread, seems to suggest that I am not. Regardless of the actual likelihood, the attitudes toward lineage and legitimacy detailed there suggests that the expectation for mothers to avoid being impregnated outside the marriage isn't nearly as strong.


    It's called "the biological imperative," and it's sort of key to understanding anything about human behavior. Biology, psychology, anthropology, criminology... take your pick. It's a bit of an in-depth subject, obviously, but...
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