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[Damian May]

Nah, I'm pretty sure that this is a thread for discussing a book, as someone who has purchased and read said book I feel perfectly at ease using this thread for its intended purpose.

Feel free to stop me from doing so....

[Damian May]

Whilst I find Samedi, Nagaraja and Harbingers far more interesting and have used them hundreds of times more than the G. theres a ton of great fan write ups of them that have been written up transferring from VtM to V5 so its just easier to use those than sorting through the mess of Hecata to try and retrieve useful mechanics and information for them from the pulped mass that is the Hecata.

But who am I kidding I'm unlikely to ever touch V5 again unless someone paid me to, and when I have a choice between spending my money on overly complicated, mostly useless ( in my chronicles)...

[Damian May]

No, they do not. I don't know of any rpg companies that do.

I was answering the question re. Breedbook Rokea....

[Damian May]

The rpgs are published through their arrangement with Hunters Entertainment, Renegade itself hasn't done any RPGs. However they do share some people who have worked on some of Hunters rpgs.

Of those Outbreak Undead and Altered Carbon are......not good. Alice is missing is gimmicky but good for what it is. And Kids on Bikes/Brooms is a tad derivative but solid.

So not a great track record and certainly not very experienced and a number of the staff have recently moved on to other things......so who knows how it will shake out....

[Damian May]

I'd be very surprised if they ever touch the first three. And if they did they'd probably just make everyone viral-vamps and squish them into the existing Clans.

Theres some pretty good versions of the fourth one on the Vault written by locals, I'd wager that you won't get anything canon for a very long time....

[Damian May]

Last I heard all the different product streams are canon, so the board games set canon NPCs etc. for the tabletop cities they are set in, Visual novels determine ( non player facing) events for background in the tabletop, not sure on the card games but I would assume at least the NPCs established would be likewise treated as canon.

Officially sanctioned streaming games set canon for the tabletop as far as I'm aware.

Yeah......its a thing....

[Damian May]

McFarland....

[Damian May]

No. The one on Drivethru is the one Paradox butchered, I'm not even sure if the other one ever made it into the wild, unfortunately....

[Damian May]

Author is a rapist, groomer and abuser. Now....there are no residuals with rpg books so he won't get any money from you buying it...so it's a personal call whether you do or not....

[Damian May]

If you can find a way to get your hands on the original manuscript for Changing Ways 20th, grab that. Avoid the published one the Paradox butchered.

[Damian May]

Mine is still fine

How are the Age of Kings, and Age of Sleep, and Mnesis treated? Well. I think.
Is there an actual civilization of man-sized dinosaur-mortals in the Mesozoic, and a long Age of Sleep between that and the creation/evolution of humans? yes
Is [spirit-influenced] evolution allowed as compatible with Gaia's existence? If I understand what your getting at, yes.
Is Mokole Mnesis caused by midichlorians/mitochondria? Not that I recall.
Is Mokole Mnesis mostly just lies and hallucinations?[/QUOTE] Nope.....theres some details that get messed up due...

[Damian May]

Book of the Wyrm 20th.

[Damian May]

Though hopefully less Blade knock offs than the ones in Fall of London....

[Damian May]

Its from one of the Gehenna book scenarios....

[Damian May]

Haven't finished reading through it yet, though not a major fan of V5 overall so its unlikely to be a positive opinion especially with what I've read of 'the Family Reunion' so far. To tell the truth I think I can't really take vampires + religion seriously*, too many Camarilla chronicles back in the day when they were predominantly secular.

But it does seem to be quite well written, even if the material is not my cup of tea.


*Or humans + religion really either if truth be told, too many run ins with high control fundamentalist groups.

[Damian May]

Thats how I do it in my chronicles, yeah. ...

[Damian May]

Understood. Its just alien to the way I play to put game jargon overwriting culture as I would see it drive the other direction. But we all do things differently I guess....

[Damian May]

Its the main reason Spirit Beings was chosen for the Australian ' kiths', the Nunnehi one really needs changing as well but its a bit late for that. But I tend to go with folklore over gamelore with my CtD chronicles so I'm probably not the general audience....

[Damian May]

Orisha would work for a large section of West African 'Kith' but the word is essentially meaningless outside of those geographical bounds except for its ties to the Carribean and Santeria etc.

I like Ahl al-Trab...they're pretty tied to the Tuareg culture but that covers a fair area of the Sahara, you'd need to look further if your looking further south or east on the continent.

[Damian May]

-+1. Would someone please give a brief description (or links to such) of the Kiths that don't have functional (blue) links on this list: ?kij
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Kith_(WOD). That page is empty now....odd....

2. Now that there're more in Africa than just the Eshu, what about the Oba? Are they still a subset of the Eshu 'Kith', or are they a separate 'Kith' analogous to the Sidhe? I would say a seperate Kith as making them part of Eshu was kind of a kludge.

3. Do the vague groupings of 'Kiths' outside of Europe have collective names analogous to Kithain...