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  • This, just this. It is as accurate as it gets.


    Masquerade has it faults, the whole Classic World of Darkness was not very well thought initially, but it is compelling, it got tons of lore, and a dedicated fan base.

    Do I like all the inconsistencies? Do I like that is not really well designed for splat interaction? No and no, but again it is your game, each one was supposed to be played in isolation, no other splats stealing the spot light.

    If someone wants different mechanics, then please use Chronicles of Darkness, those are REALLY well thought, and...
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    replied to Table of Fera Forms
    Sadly, the link to the excel spreadsheet seem to be broken. Do you have the file?...
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  • Just like in comics, creativity but no following consequences, or reading previous/complementary material....
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  • I call it the "Comic Book Genius" syndrome, it's what happens when very creative, but scientifically illiterate people start throwing ideas without thinking about the consequences. The ideas pull you in, the execution makes you roll your eyes and sigh.

    The original writers have admitted that they were not knowledgeable enough when writing some books. Remember the ATROCIOUS Gypsies book? That Bruja and La Sombra are Spanish words that sounded cool to them... For Neolithic humans? The idea that science is intrinsically bad and nature is good, a pastoral idealization (living...
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  • Where is this stated? I am looking book and page. Thanks....
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  • But it makes no sense, it is canon that Augustus was 4th generation before diablerizing Cappadocious, in the Giovanni Chronocles 1 we have full stats for Augustus (pre-diablere)...
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  • Is Tremere, not Saulot in his body, but Tremere (in whatever body is his now) a Third Generation member?...
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  • Thanks, this clarifies things....
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  • Gehenna book treats Augustus as the weakest of the Antediluvians. Your age gap argument for Tremere would apply here, but everywhere that I have access, mentions Augustus as something incomplete, unlike mentions of Tremere.

    Quoting Gehenna book: "Augustus managed to assume the powers of Cappadocius, but the Ancient’s soul escaped.", if you got the powers, why is the soul of Cappadocius important?

    What is Augustus missing? Time to grow? Generational stat limits? A hug?




    You mention that he got some of the powers... What are those...
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  • Okay, but Tremere himself, is he third generation?



    How would this manifest? Fourth generation stat limits? We have stats for Augustus pre Diablere (Giovanni Chronicles 1) so how much would those have changed?...
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  • Augustus and Tremere failure in V20.

    I am not that familiar with the whole list of Vampire lore, but I am given to understand that both Augustus Giovanni and Tremere diablerized a Third Generation vampire, and both failed to claim the soul of the victim. Why is Augustus so weak, while Tremere is much more powerful?

    Furthermore, if both failed to absorb the soul of the victim, then the diablere failed, none of them should be Third generation, yet all the books that I have access mention them both as members of the Third Generation. Are they really generation 3.5 and lacking something that "true" 3rd gen members...
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  • Yeah, after posting this question, I participated on a V20 discussion about Vampires vs Werewolves. I ending up posting a character to show what happens if you optimize for combat, ended up using some of the ideas here, I used a W20 starting build:


    Breed: Metis
    Auspice: Ahroun
    Tribe: Children of Gaia
    Nature: Bravo
    Demeanor: Big Bad Wolf
    Rank: 1
    Physical: Strength 4 (6/8/7/5), Dexterity 5 (5/6/7/7), Stamina 1 (3/4/4/3)
    Social: Charisma 4, Manipulation 1 (0/0/0/0), Appearance 1 (0/0/1/1)
    Mental: Perception 2, Intelligence 1, Wits...
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  • Experience costs of Merits and Flaws, 20th anniversary

    Greetings,

    Pretty much what the title says, I have seen in M20, V20 and W20 some lines on flaws "you must/can sacrifice the experience points to buy this flaw off", but never found how much experience per dot of merit or flaw, what are the values?

    Same could be asked of Backgrounds too.
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  • For those of us who have never seen the movies, what exactly happened in those Twilight fights?...
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  • This is my point, you are not, and most likely never be, as combat optimized as a Werewolf can be. Vampire strengths lie on social power. Bring some friends, go after its kinfolk, etc.




    This. More experience broadens the options a character has....
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  • To beat everyone in melee as a starting character (3 points of flaws, without them you get only Occult 3), Monsieur Lasombra Hentai Death-Machine:
    • Manipulation 5
    • Stamina 5 (to soak bashing/lethal damage on Arms of the Abyss)
    • Occult (Obtenebration) 5
    • Obtenebration 5
    • Background: Generation 5 (Tenebrous Form in one turn, multiple Arms of the Abyss per turn, immune to Dominate from higher generations)

    The sequence:
    1. Tenebrous Form. Invulnerable to physical attacks. Envelope opponents to lower their Stamina pool and inflict blind-fight penalties.
    2. Shroud of Night. Lower opponent's
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  • Please check the post again, I have edited with better redaction, more accurate questions, more combat optimized stats, and an explanation of the werewolf character strengths....
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  • As others have said, it will depend on the build and situation:
    1. Is it close combat or ranged combat?
    2. Are both prepared to fight each other (silver weapons, daytime, fire sources, buff time, etc), or its a spur of the moment situation?
    3. Where are they fighting?
    4. What are their Disciplines/Gifts, Merits? Dominate can end a fight before it starts, but a Werewolf merit, Untamable, can make them immune.
    5. What is the rank of the Werewolf? Gift access depends on Rank, only Elder discipline access requires Generation.
    6. How much experience do they have? Without Rank increases, XP is of limited
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  • Inu no Taishō (InuYasha) using W20

    Tōga
    Breed: Lupus
    Auspice: Ahroun
    Beast Court Auspice: Fist
    Tribe: Hakken
    Nature: Alpha
    Demeanor: Idealist
    Rank: 5
    Physical: Strength 5 (7/9/8/6), Dexterity 4 (4/5/6/6), Stamina 5 (7/8/8/7)
    Social: Charisma 5, Manipulation 2 (0/0/0/0), Appearance 4 (3/0/4/4)
    Mental: Perception 4, Intelligence 2, Wits 5
    Talents: Alertness 4, Athletics 4, Brawl 5, Empathy 2, Intimidation 5, Leadership 4, Primal-Urge 5
    Skills: Etiquette 3, Melee 5, Stealth 3, Survival 3
    Knowledges: Occult...
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  • lbeaumanior
    replied to Table of Fera Forms
    On the same topic (Fera stat bonuses) why do some breed lack penalties to Appearance? Like the Kitsune, I can understand the Kitsune Glabro form being somewhat attractive to (some) people... But why their Crinos/Hispo/Lupus equivalent does not get any penalty?
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