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  • I guess it depends how you see a '.5' edition. Exalted 2.5 was just heaps of errata with a few tweaks. The V5 PDF has already been updated quite a few times (I keep getting emails notifying me of new versions) so there's already a body of errata. It's nowhere near as big as the Scroll of Errata yet, but we haven't seen the PG either....
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  • The V5 PG is probably going to be V5.5, right? One of the promises was that it would allow older versions of Vampire to be played with the new rules....
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  • Personally, I love the Wan Kuei. The problem was in homogenising a whole continent (to be fair, the other lines do this too) and things like the Great Leap Outward and the yellow peril stuff. That could easily be ignored.

    Dharma as a more Arete-like system, but without XP, is preferable to me than another form of Humanity. I really liked that system.

    At a push, you could make it like Essence in Exalted with an age requirement for higher levels, but I think one of the complaints with Exalted has always been that you can only increase Essence with XP, and it requires...
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  • adambeyoncelowe
    replied to Malfean Kindred
    Daughters of Cacophony? I've always thought they could be a Baali off-shoot anyway. Singing songs of destruction to their infernal masters.

    Kiasyd who see the Wyrm as part of their Fomorian heritage, maybe? Chilly and bookish, but riddled with Nightmare energy.

    Angellis Ater? Lasombra Baali. Best (worst?) of both worlds.

    Maybe even a coven of Abominations who've taken to worshipping the Wyrm for surcease from their endless torment.
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  • adambeyoncelowe
    replied to Barghest
    They're still made from wraiths, ultimately.
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  • So ur-Shulgi is almost certainly Baali. Their Antediluvian founder is almost certainly Evil Saulot (or angry Good Saulot; there isn't much difference). It's possible that multiple Antediluvians are responsible for the Baali, however (e.g., Tzimisce and/or Malkav could also have been involved).

    The Children are heavily hinted or outright stated to be the terrestrial 'shells' of the Malfeans, although they might just be dream forms of the Malfeans like certain Nephandi gods are.

    This group is likely frequently mixed up with Earthbound, powerful Wyrm spirits and Antediluvians,...
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  • This is correct. Wan Kuei don't specifically need to be Asian, though there's a strong connection to the land and cultures of Asia, because that's where the 10,000 Hells are located.

    Some people, rightly, pointed out that it seemed like Asians were special magic snowflakes in the 2e/Revised run of the game because of this.

    My tweak was to remove it from a connection to the land and culture altogether (which is pretty much still saying they need to be 'Asian' in one form or another) and make it like mages and their Avatars, or changelings and their fae souls. In other...
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  • adambeyoncelowe
    replied to Who is right?
    This. Individual Wan Kuei are as ignorant as anyone else, but the *paradigm* is closest.

    Throw in a bit of Mage (the Purple Paradigm) and Demon (though I think Torment makes Demons unreliable, their version allows for multiple things to be true at once), with a smidgen of Revelations of the Dark Mother (for a model of multiple gods that works with Mage, Vampire and Demon) for good measure, and you can explain most of the World of Darkness.

    Add in Exalted 1e (or the early intent behind some it), and you possibly explain even more....
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  • So with all those Virtues, you just pick four (one from each category) to mirror the original system. Importantly, they map to Conscience (Divinity), Self-Control (Death) and Courage (Life) when such comparisons are needed. Shadow doesn't have an analogue, but easily allows you to calculate Humanity as [10 minus Shadow].

    You may have just meant you don't like having four Virtues at all, which is also understandable.

    I suppose you could retool them as 'Directions' to inform one's Way, meaning that they have softer mechanical value (like Nature/Demeanour). It wouldn't break...
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  • Here's my pitch:

    1. The Great Curse

    The Hungry Dead aren't necessarily all sinners and they don't have to be Asian. What they must be is related--physically or metaphysically--to the original Wan Xian. Their souls are marked by this heritage, which makes them bright like filaments of Essence (Chi) in a sea of drudgery.

    In life, this manifests as extra Joss, and perhaps also some supernatural Awareness. Their actions, whether good or bad, likely have greater consequences than those of their peers.

    The Yama Kings are drawn to these souls as potential...
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