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  • I don't really think it's fair to say Underworld influenced VtM Revised. The other way around, on the other hand... Personally, I've also always found 2E to be far more on the Katana and Shades side of the equation.
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  • As an additional side note, having checked my timeline file the Ahl-i-Batini did not leave the Council until after the Victorian era had been over by 21 years. The Technocracy enjoyed dominance in the Middle East from around 1904 (at the earliest, and the 1920s at the latest) until 1979 marked the start of their forced withdrawal, so I'd say that fairly constitutes 'decades' of control, wouldn't you?
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  • Yes, they are looking at certain places. So you avoid being seen in those places, and exploit the blindspots. You don't go to Mr. Robot's Preschool for Precocious Children, but you maintain a presence just close enough that a strike will risk damaging it and where they wouldn't expect a Traditionalist presence - where the Magic Eyes aren't looking. Add some basic precautions to conceal your presence from brief scrutiny and you should be just fine for the short to medium term that way.



    Yes, but you also leave behind your family, your friends, your culture, and your entire...
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  • A fairly basic power that is far from universally used on every population centre. If it was, there would be no Traditionalists or disparates or orphans roaming around the Western world unmolested. But there are - and a great many of them. There are also ways to obscure your presence from those powers.



    In the middle of a population center, you in fact can blend in because your house is just one more house. Your car is just one more car. When you order incense, you're just one more person getting some funky smells going on among a teeming population where thousands of...
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  • Hiding in a city gives you a far larger population base to blend in with. Do you have an example of them sending a full scale assault force, void ships and all, into Downtown Manhattan in 'the busiest time of day' (or an analogous situation)? How many resources did they have to expend to do it just to keep paradox off their backs?



    Except, of course, for cultural reasons, available nodes that have been overlooked, and the need to continue fighting the good fight against the Technocracy. Oh, and that whole 'hide where they least suspect you' thing. I take it you also have...
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  • I have several old tablets loaded with my entire library of game books and a few useful apps - amazingly useful in a session, as you'd imagine, to be able to hand one to each player - so I find no advantage in play with hard copy books. I enjoy having them, but that's purely a personal vanity thing rather than a utility, and I pretty much only pick up the deluxe editions in hard copy.
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  • Surveillance is only an issue if you either make your presence known or are entirely too obvious. Or if you literally live right on top of it, which is not what I said - you live near, not in, the 'too much collateral' target. You live where paradox will almost certainly bite them just as hard as it'll bite you, or where any kind of fighting is going to wreck their shit as well as your's, and while they might be furious when they discover you, they can't act immediately.

    Which dovetails into this. If the Technocracy wants to pound you down, you're going down no matter what - unless...
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  • Well, that depends. The answer is technically 'no' - nothing you do can ever make you totally safe from your enemies no matter who or what they are, barring outright Ascension or removing yourself totally from existence and into a different one. In practical terms, yes, it's actually very easy to make it so they 'can't just take'. The just is the key. All you have to do is make it too risky for the Technocracy to sanction, which is easy enough to do with three key ingredients.

    1. Stay discreet. The quiet Hermeticist who isn't summoning spirits to bring him his car keys and instead...
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  • loomer
    replied to Wr 20 Getting close to release?
    For that, you need a professional cursebreaker or it'll just keep on ticking away, sabotaging every new edition.
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  • The Dark Ages setting has cities spring from the ether centuries early as a deliberate decision - just ask the vampires of Budapest! So, James, Bath being a little bigger than it was in the real world is in line with how the Dark Ages setting treats history and reality.
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  • It's a little like, and god preserve me here because I just know this going to get quoted out of context at some point, creating an uneducated, smelly African-American character who goes around exclusively feeding off 'pure' 'virginal' white women with extreme violence, and doing so in the middle of an era of active lynchings like say the 1920s. In theory, none of those elements have to be racist - just like 'evil transwoman' and 'transwoman who is a sexual predator' aren't inherently transphobic or transmisogynistic concepts, because being black or trans doesn't preclude you from being violent...
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  • That doesn't really go to what I said, which is that the majority of tabletop gamers don't go to conventions in my opinion - which is, of course, just an opinion unless someone wants to dig up attendance data for a nebulous, broad, and ill-represented community. The proportion of tabletop games at one specific con vs live action games at one specific con only speaks to two things, which is the ease of running one and not the other in a limited timespan with players of unknown ability and sensibility, and perhaps the relative popularity of the two options among a subset of not even the gaming community,...
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  • I suspect the majority of tabletop gamers don't frequent conventions. I've never been to one myself....
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  • So long as they continue to employ Zak S, V^2 will be too edgy for me even if it turns into a game of magical friendship where Malkavians spread joy and happiness in the form of Toki Wartooth-esque song numbers while Gangrel avenge Bambi's murder (which... I might actually play? I'm not sure, I've confused myself with this example.)

    I think that's an important distinction, to be honest. I can forgive attempts by a company that skew into 'too much edge' if they're made with good intent or out of ignorance. If, however, the company seems to be embracing a 'so edgy you guys' philosophy...
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  • I post about why I won't buy V^2 because I've spent years looking far, far too deeply into VtM for my own damn good. When I say it, it's a way of expressing a profound disappointment and sense of sadness that comes with the end of a long and treasured setting being 'right' for me, and also a hope that maybe enough pressure will reverse the tide. It isn't, so I keep posting my disappointment and emailing white wolf and encouraging others to do so.

    This is because I am not completely disinterested. You could accurately say I am extremely interested - because interest does not necessarily...
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  • Wait, you were fighting the German Armed Forces? Why?
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  • I'll believe it when I see it.
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  • Oh boy. I guarantee my games won't have an effect, because I'm not part of any organized play group....
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  • My interest in V^2 continues to wane with every revelation.
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  • loomer
    replied to Mage in the Real World
    Why assume this is the Etherites, not the Technocracy? A highly expensive, highly regulated vehicle that will probably have hardcoded airspace restrictions seems a little... controlling... to me....
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