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  • The thing is, "shamanism" is an extremely diverse category, and I feel like just about any region's shamanistic traditions have about as much to single them out as much to single them out. Are you saying African and Native American shamanic traditions didn't develop indepently? It's still as valid a distinction as Celestial Chorus vs. Ahl-I-Batin. These are traditions that seem distinguished more by region and culture than by paradigm and methodology....
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  • You just helped me pinpoint my problem with the Euthanatoi: Most traditions represent categories of magical/religious/scientific practice. The Dreamspeakers represent shamanistic religions. The Celestial Chorus represents ecclesiastical religions. The Order of Hermes represents ceremonial magic. The Verbena are are a tacit ghetto for white Dreamspeakers, which is arbitrary, but not less so than RL racism, so it kinda makes sense.

    The Euthanatoi represent a specialty that exists within any magical or religious practice. Practically everyone has funerals and believes in an afterlife,...
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  • That sounds like kind of a vindictive interpretation from people who didn't like their work. Is it possible that it was more like they could tell they had creative differences with the rest of the staff and wouldn't be with White Wolf long, so they pulled out the stops and tried to lay out their whole grand theory in one book, when it was supposed to be revealed over a decade's worth of metaplot? Sort of like the second season of Dollhouse, where Joss Whedon knew the show was getting canceled, so he tried to cram in four seasons worth of plot, so it kinda sucked, even though it was based on good...
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  • But dead people with dark skin don't look less dead than dead people with light skin. The skin still takes on an "ashy" look, which is pretty noticeable....
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  • On a similar note, the Verbena are all about self-mutilation. Any Mage who self-harms is Verbena, regardless of paradigm. Sorry, so-called "Hollow Ones", if you own a razor blade that isn't for shaving, you're actually Verbena, just like every peyote-popping Dreamspeaker and microdosing Mercurial Elite is really a deluded Child of Knowledge.

    I pegged Leary as an Etherite because he was a rogue scientist who was a strict philosophical materialist, but thought that psychedelics had serious medicinal potential. His biggest reason for opposing prohibition was because of how...
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  • Etherites: Andrew Weil, Aaron Wakefield, Michael Behe, Deepak Chopra

    Remember, there's no such thing as pseudoscience in Mage, just vulgar science!

    Timothy Leary also strikes me as more of an Etherite than an Ecstatic. Ken Kesey was an Ecstatic. Richard Alpert was a Dreamspeaker. Jerry Garcia was a Hollow One. Albert Hofmann was a Progenitor. Charles Manson was obviously a Nephandus.

    Psychedelics were something the Technocrats had high hopes for, but its only success was creating a schism within the Traditions that helped discredit them. Well, and also earning...
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  • In case the plan doesn't work out. This is just a beta test, remember? We can always put the brakes on if we need to......
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  • Lucifer gives humanity the gift of knowledge.
    Lucifer is afraid that because of human mortality, human knowledge will deteriorate over the generations.
    Lucifer lacks the imagination to invent written language at this time.
    Lucifer finds a human murderer, one he thinks God will not pity.
    Lucifer has the Angel of Death gift this Murderer with some of his blood, inoculating the Murderer against death, to create a special class of human, immune to death, who can carry knowledge across countless generations.
    Lucifer is not sure that this plan will work, and installs a...
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  • Were Ahrimanes an abandoned Time of Thin Blood plot seed?

    Forget the more recent writeups. Let's go back and look at some things from the original Ahrimanes splat from the Storyteller's Handbook to the Sabbat from 1993:



    Weird, racist explanation aside, the jist is that Ahrimanes are better at passing for human. For some reason. Ahrimanes also can't sire or blood bond, and have only one clan discipline in common with their parent clan, the Gangrel. They also only take women. For some reason.

    Ahrimanes are said to usually dwell in highly secure, underground lairs. They have vast material wealth and involve themselves...
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  • That sounds like about as good a question as "Can transgender join fraternities?" it's a can of worms that will get a wild variety of answers depending on the shapeshifters involved. Tribes that allow it will contain packs that won't. Packs that want to allow it will exist within tribes that won't. A lot of Corax won't be a good fit for even the most liberal packs. If there were a universal, canonical answer, it would annoy me.
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