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  • I'm also a little bit confused about the Freeholds. I view the FHs as pocket realms potruding from the mundane world into the Dreaming but not situated wholy in it. The freeholds have a direct physical border, but from that everything is an open game.

    But, based on the rules of Balefire production, it needs a Wellspring, what always have roots in the Autumn world.



    The FH gives you certain protection, but doesn't make you bulletproof. You could be forced / coerced to give up your Holding, or simply killed, or made Undone.



    Nay,...
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  • I'm glad a discussion started! (By the way the international -mainly English languaged)- forums are much better than I can find in my home country. They are all about the flame war.)



    Because Reweaving is needed to change the fundaments of a beeing. This Treasure breaks the normal reality, because causing the Fae self emerge. Mechanicaly it changes the Kithain less Changeling but more Fae. And because I did not find a better Art level to cover the effect.



    There was an idea that the Treasure would force the inner-true self emerge. For example:...
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  • In the past there were such rules in the Dreams & Nightmares, if I remember correctly.



    This Treasure was made by a PC. He had a very limited supply of Glamour and, of course, Willpower. Unfortunately the Story focused and still focuses the skirmishes of his relatives - Garou. Without Calling upon the Wyrd he was almost powerless, even a stray bullet could finish him.
    This is why this Treasure was born. With it the PC had three options:
    1) Not using it, depleting his sources and soon become a hinderance.
    2) Using it, but become extreamly susceptible...
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  • I *think* we can't generalise. Kinfolks move on a wide range. They can be Gaia-fanatics who'd support the Garou with everythink even with their lives to envyous sickos who'd skin their children to gain their power.

    If you'd have some specifics (I suppose you ask for a story's sake) I'd make some recommendations.

    And don't forget to take the Tribe into account. It can tremendiously affect the Kin's worldview.
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  • If I remember correctly, they are first mentioned and discussed in the Book of Caerns. The material is old, but may worth a look.
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  • Nay, harvesting is used on natural places / landmarks, raiding is in natural places, but focuses on the hunting / fishing. You can't raid a rock or harvest a wolf....
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Softwere-How to?
    There are software Fetishes (I know 2 of them).

    I think composing them would could be done in the Cyber Realm's Computer Web. Or from it.
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  • Yes, but she had allergy for kids.

    Does just I have problem with this book?

    The writers totaly messed the stuff with gallan. In C20 the Nunnehi had specialised freeholds called Lodges. Now, I don't know.
    Options: Have none / have (there are two Nunnehi freeholds mentioned, but never called lodge in this book / have just Glens.

    Who knows now? Maybe I'm just confused because English is just my second language and I missed something....
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  • "The character’s current Legacy determines the manner in which she gathers Glamour. Feast/Summer people gather Glamour from natural places such as trees, rock formations, volcanoes, and waterfalls, while War/Winter people get their Glamour from hunting and killing animals and fish." C20, Pg. 418.

    The nice one harvest, the angry one kills....
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Kinfolk RiteMaster's
    Check the Werewolf - The Apocalypse - Axis Mundi - The Book Of Spirits....
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Enchanting the faded?
    Yep. Maybe it was an idea what was dropped during the editing but was preserved because of the correctors' failure. Wouldn't be the first time.

    Or, as written above it's the "natural" erosion caused by day-to-day erosion caused by the Banal environment.
    In that case an Undone and a Faded are mechanicaly should be / are the same and the differences are purly semantic.

    Addendum: "No matter how bright the spark burns, no matter how fierce
    the spirit, eventually Banality wins." - What a bulls*it. With a good build / right source of Glamour...
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Tribal Fae and Fetishes
    Yes / No / Maybe.
    A gun would fire, sure. But would it without a bullet? A Fetish needs an attuned soul to work (usualy). It gives the juice.

    You can order a squire to kill his master, but the knight guts her with a sword. Your order was tried, but never succeded.
    Paralel, you can order the Fetish to attune. The Fetish tries, but fails, because YOU lack the spiritual component to get attached onto....
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  • I always had the idea (as I've read the fluff) that the Nunnehi did not flee to the High Hunting Grounsd, but made pact with native shamans to live throught their bloodlines.
    Additionaly the Book of Freeholds stated that the HHG were not just severed from the Autumn World, but was destroyed.

    *Personaly* I'm against a Nunnehi Resurgence and find a great role playing opportunity to act as one of the remaining member of a falling race (caused by the dvindling native bloodlines).
    Also I abhor repetitiveness of the same theme in multiple game lines, but that's my subjectivity....
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Enchanting the faded?
    I'm not familiar with the termin "faded". Doesn't it come frome the Lost?
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Tribal Fae and Fetishes
    Yes, but doesn't cover the Lower World and scanning the spirit world from afar. And the received information is not detailed. The difference between the 5 sucess Art and the Innate ability is paralel between the new electronic eye technology and the perfect sight.

    False. You can communicate with the spirits who are there, but can't summon your grand-grand-...-grandfather to answer your questions. Yeh, you can speak with a wolf spirit, but contacting with the shamanic-great ancestor to discuss ritual knowledge is a great difference.
    The second level of this Art was (or is) the...
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Tribal Fae and Fetishes
    It's not true, or not true complately.

    The first level of power is quarterly covered with the innate ability, but the Art allowed much more versality. The other levels are not covered at all, or partialy (Yes, other Art can be used to divine, but how could you contact your ancestor or summon a spirit army?)....
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to New Corax criteria ?
    Yes, but it just be my viewpoint: An able-minden Corax should choose her Kinfolk. And those Kinfolk (if not comming from some forgotten line) work hard to, if choosen, become a Corax. After hundreads of years and continual good-minded brainwashing they could and should feel it like the best promotion ever.

    And it IS: Ability to flight! Experiencing the Umbra! Receiving Gifts! The spirits suddenly start to respond & even respect them. They receive the knowledge of rites. And so on.

    Of course a kin can feel that she don't want to experience the Change. But in this case,...
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Tribal Fae and Fetishes
    Partialy true. Please note that the Spirit Manipulation (W20) is UNABLE to create & attune the Fetishes of Fera. They are able to create something they call fetish, but it's not the same. Also they don't commune with spirits. They mind-rape them. Also it's a specialised power designed to deal with the Umbra and it's denizens.

    I didn't take anything else, but Changeling into account, because of the current topic. I speak about just the CtD, and not generalise & include the other game lines.


    Mages can use Magics for anything, that's not a question, but the...
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to New Corax criteria ?
    Hello Heinrich!

    Nay, he doesn't have to be an infant, and I *think* the Corax would choose a candidate from adolesence to young adults (to maximalize the integration).

    About the "special" cases. The Breedbook states it's a bad idea to hatch anything but they folk.
    But: werewolf can have True Faith, so it - technicaly - would be an option. But if the candidate's Faith opposes the Rite, it's an other matter.

    Hedge mages: The Sorcerer Revised speaks aout Skindancers who were from this bunch and retained their powers. I'd handle it paralel....
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  • Lachdanan
    replied to Tribal Fae and Fetishes
    I would allow Naming to change the Fetish into a Treasure, but it would require at least Fae 5, and maybe some Prop.

    Also it would couse some ire, because the Changeling would destroy the spirit in the process.

    About the attunement. They can't do it, because they lack a neccesary element. An example from the nature: Virus resistance: Some - because of genetic makeup - are resistant to HIV. They can be infected, but the virus can't affect the white blood cells, because the cells don't have the components in wich the virus can dock.

    This is the same with a...
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