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  • Not really. They concentrate on humanity, not specific subsets of it.

    What you want could also be a part of the Lodge of Lightning, who "hunt humans who galvanize society around them".
    That certainly includes cult leaders, and crime bosses, but also politicians, successful businessmen, and really anyone who has a great deal of social impact.

    It isn't different enough to be a tribal pillar.

    Also, organized crime is way younger than the tribal pillars.
    Because really, organized crime is just a parallel society, and in early human history,...
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  • I think the problem with cults is that it isn't just humans. It's a three-pronged problem with otherworldly entities (Bone Shadows), humans (Iron Masters), and otherworldly entities breaking through and possessing humans (Storm Lords).
    It wouldn't be an Iron Master-focused Lodge. It'd be a lot more wide-spread than so.

    Lodge of the Fallen Idol in Splintered might be a good place to start though, considering that they are focused on making sure humans don't worship stuff.
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  • Seidmadr
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    Well.. We have been running it since Requiem 2e was released...
    I... I just don't know how to stop expanding the campaign world
    Please send help!...
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  • You might've picked that up from the Dark Eras book? In the neolithic, Werewolf PC's did indeed start at Harmony 5....
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  • If it's something that simple, just give them a drop of Essence and threaten them with a beating if they don't comply.

    I thought we were talking more serious things....
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  • Asking them what they want?...
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  • Ah! Sounds like an Ithaeur Bone Shadow, or possibly Storm Lord....
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  • Seidmadr
    replied to Spirits as Pagan Gods
    As I said, it's not that they'd become insane by dressing up as gods, it's that they'd have to BE insane to do it.

    If you want myth-style gods, there is plenty of space for that in the Astral and the Underworld. Werewolf, however, is a lot more primal as a game, and they don't really fit here....
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  • Seidmadr
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    It's not having different influences. It's that they embody radically different concepts.
    A spirit of Winter and Lead is a Magath.
    A Spirit that has Influence Dream ••• and War •• isn't necessarily one.
    Influence isn't what Spirits ARE, it is how they manifest themselves.

    Regarding the Aquilae? Dark Eras says that they feed on the native Hisil where the Legions pass, so they most certainly seem to be reinforcing their Magath status.
    And it wasn't until the Marian reforms as they were bound to the Legions. And by that point, the Magna Mater had ruled...
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  • Seidmadr
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    Here is what Book of Spirits has to say about Magath:...
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  • Seidmadr
    replied to Spirits as Pagan Gods
    Luna is quite possibly a Magath. She has a lot of aspects that don't really fit together. And she's also quite, quite insane.
    The Firstborn, however...
    Dire Wolf - Wolf and Hunting (just like dad)
    Winter Wolf - Wolf and Harshness. Which is associated with wolves.
    Destroyer Wolf - Wolf and Destruction. Which is associated with wolves.
    Silver Wolf - Wolf and Hate. Which is associated with wolves.
    Black Wolf - Wolf and Stalking predation. Which is associated with wolves.
    Death Wolf - Wolf and Death. Which is associated with wolves.
    Rabid Wolf - Wolf...
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  • Seidmadr
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    Look, I'm not saying that Spirits become Magath by taking the mantle of gods.
    I'm saying that the only example we have of that are insane Magaths.
    You don't become insane by pretending to be a god, you have to be insane to try it.

    Also, from all the depictions in Dark Eras, they did a REALLY bad job of it.


    Honestly, we have one example of it, and it's going on about how the spirits were insane, abnormal, and eventually taken over by an Idigam....
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  • Oh! Another thing about Freyja.
    Her name literally means "The Lady", and she is the queen of the bright elves.
    One tale about her talks about how she created war between two kings, placed them on an un-escapable island, and each night ressurects their fallen soldiers, so that their warring will go on until Ragnarök.

    Really, one doesn't have to look far to see her, or for that matter, the All-Father as Gentry.
    If I were to place the Old Gods as anything in CofD, it'd be some kind of Fae. (Of course, I'd generally make them composite characters of lots of...
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  • Seidmadr
    replied to Spirits as Pagan Gods
    No, but most. And they shaped the majority view. Who took up the mantle of Gods. Which was done by insane spirits.
    It's also worth mentioning that these Mater spirits failed badly in acting like gods. Panicking and cannibalizing each other as soon as things went pear-shaped.





    You talking Astral entities, or just the tales?



    Ravens feast on corpses, do lightnings stem from war? Or War stem from lightnings, perhaps?
    Ravens are intrinsically connected to death, being carrion birds. Wolves and eagles are also connected with...
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  • Seidmadr
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    A mud spirit isn't a magath. It's a spirit of mud.
    A Magath is a spirit of incompatible elements.



    Basically, spirits can feed on what is fitting, but when they feed on stuff that isn't. They go insane.



    The gods wouldn't be, but the mad spirits who imitated them, were. Here, I'll show you a quote.



    What is a "Mortal God"?...
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  • Seidmadr
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    Taking what Awakened find reasonable is not a good way to find things that count as normal. Mages are, by definition, also insane. Just like Magaths. They are all obsessed with strange things, and have an extreme tendency to ignore what should be, in favour of what they find more convenient. So if a Mage benefits from a spirit being a Hybrid, who cares what it does to the local ecosystem? The Mage is generally sure they can handle the fallout. That's hubris, after all.
    Also, they aren't as close to the Shadow as Uratha and Spirits are.

    Also, just because they are used to seeing...
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  • I mean, the Goddess Gefjun, she's a goddess of virgins and the harvest. That she created a lake was secondary to her plowing.

    And I agree that the god of Mälaren should be Rank 4. I just disagree that one of the gods should be rank 4.

    Kolga is one of the nine waves. Rán and Aegir had nine daughters, each representing one way waves can look on the sea. Mälaren has always had dark waters, thanks to the runoff of the forests around it, so I thought Kolga might be a decent name for that spirit. ESPECIALLY if you are just having spirits dressing up as the gods. A water...
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  • Seidmadr
    replied to Spirits as Pagan Gods
    To quote Lore of the Forsaken:
    WAYS OF THE GODS
    Storyteller’s Note: It may feel natural to portray the Incarnae and Celestines as beings akin to the Greek or Roman gods — interesting, sympathetic in scope and essentially human, despite all their vaunted power. These beings are not like that, though. Certainly the Celestines (and even the Incarnae) are godlike figures and wield colossal, near-unlimited power, but, even when concerning themselves directly with the Uratha, they are not remotely human in their mindset or desire.

    The book - and even the quote you give -...
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  • First off, I like her! A lot, actually. I generally don't have so "human" spirits as the Norse Gods, but that's a matter of taste.
    There are a few issues, though. Gefjun is a goddess of the land, not the water. The lake was a by-product of her plowing.
    Also, a god as a rank 4 creature? That's a bit stingy, isn't it?

    I strongly recommend you to keep Gefjun though, just... drop her in as something else.
    If you want a lake spirit named for one of the old deities, how about Kolga? She's one of the nine daughters of Rán and Aegir, and she represents cool...
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  • Seidmadr
    replied to Sell me on the orders
    Seers vs. Pentacle is kinda like NATO vs. the Warzaw Pact during the Cold War.
    The two blocs ARE organized against each other, and they are allies... But there are cracks, and there is bickering within the blocs.
    (The Free Council is France, since they are the most separate.)
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