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  • Octavo
    replied to Gnosis 3 or 10 Merit Points?
    In the 2 second edition games I've run, most players have gone with Gnosis 2 just because that first expansion of spell control is so incredibly useful....
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    Another way to look at it is the role of Consilia at the table in the game. Consilia are another source of mysteries - specifically magical whodunnits. Contrast that with Vampire where the politics are about power, intrigue, clashing interests, and favors. Certainly, this isn't a hard and fast distinction. Just an observation of how the supernatural quasi governments support their respective games' themes....
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    You make some good points. A Consilium has laws and it sometimes makes laws, although I suspect it's more like an accumulation of case law than it is a formal legislative process (that probably happens at Convocations). It also sends out Sentinels who are half detective, half bailiff and usually wield the Lex Magica merit in order to enforce rulings. I think what makes a consilium different than sleeper municipal governments is that they're volunteers who only really gather together when they need to. There probably aren't regular Royal Courts with intrigues and gossip. They're also not parliaments...
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    My understanding is that in 2E, consilium is more of an ad hoc thing. They don't enforce laws so much as they mediate disputes based on precedence. Mages don't have to have permits for their wands as in Fantastic Beasts, but if someone's trying to horn in on that Mystery you're diligently investigating, you can appeal to the consilium before anyone ends up dead.

    If a Vampire court is Versailles in the era of Louis the XVI, then the Consilium is Night Court with duels....
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    I was at first very excited to see that the Reconstruction Dark Era referred to the Nameless War, but it kinda forgot to say who the local Nameless were....
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    After all this discussion about the Silver Ladder and the Free Council, I really am becoming curious about whether the Nameless War will get a full treatment in either Tome of the Pentacle or the unannounced book....
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  • Octavo
    replied to So rules for Sorcerers
    I've been greatly anticipating the revelation of the Sorcerer rules, and I really enjoy how distinct they are from the myriad of other magic systems in the CofD. Thank you!...
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  • Octavo
    started a topic Dark Eras Companion: The Master's Tools

    Dark Eras Companion: The Master's Tools

    Has anyone else read the new Demon era? Any thoughts?

    If not, you can look forward to reading about demons getting swept up in Marxism!...
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    It occurs to me that a possible interpretation of how the Shona mages are guided by Mhondoros from each path is that those Supernal Entities are in fact ascended beings or possibly even Oracles. For instance, Dzivaguru is said to appear in any gender (much like an Exarch whose identity has been worn away by the Supernal). "The other Mhondoro rose from history that became myth, but Dzivaguru’s legend comes from before all history."...
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    Mmm, that's the Hogwarts house/Pentacle pairing I went with in my Potterverse game. I finessed the houses a bit so the Slytherins had less of a monopoly on moral failings....
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    One thing I've noticed about the Silver Ladder throughout the various books is that they just don't seem to work well if they're played as arrogant schemers who are no better than the Seers.
    For me at least, it's easier and more interesting to think of character concepts where they don't suck. At their best they care most about keeping the community of Awakened together than they do about grasping at raw personal power. There's almost something Taoist about the SL when they're doing their sagely thing. They see what has to be done and they do it and then quit when they're done.
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    I think this is it. In a sense, Ascension (a game about many many things), is at its core a game about cultural survival against the forces of western imperialism.
    To support that theme, a lot of the internal conflict in that game is about how the "good guys" of the setting have committed a lot of the same sins as their enemies. For instance, the Order of Hermes disregarded Imperialism in the Middle-East and they rebuffed the Ngoma magi of Northern Africa.

    Awakening is not the same game and has a very different story to tell about cultural exchanges. The Diamond Mages...
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    Hang on, why do we know that the Diamond made conversions at all? I don't think this assumption is warranted at all. Here's the section that discusses cross-cultural interactions:

    "Most belong to the Atlantean Diamond, and are educated enough to recognize parallel Orders in the Awakened Mutupos. Sporadic misunderstandings and battles for territory test relations, but Mutapa mages have always paid special attention to the land, and prevent foreigners from seizing magical places."

    On that same page, it states that the Seer Hegemonic and Paternoster mages are the...
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    Tastes are definitely going to vary here. I appreciate that wordcount was spent detailing the Shona beliefs and cultural practices and not on missionaries being grotesque imperialists.

    I do wish we had a little more info on common magical tools for the Shona mages....
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    I'm not sure where you're reading this. The text states that the Shona beliefs do not die out. They just see less global popularity than the platonic view of magic.

    Also, the more overt clashes are depicted in the Accidental Crusade section....
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    Calling mana Vis is such a great callback to the Order of Hermes.

    I am not sure what to think of the social factions being a localization of the Orders. I'm assuming that it's because of ancient Astral contact with mages from the To The Strongest era forming darshanas.
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  • Was anyone else thinking of the Goa'uld when reading the stuff on the Visitors? Good times.
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  • Depends on the Agenda. Tempters have loads to do that has nothing to do with the God-Machine. They set up cover-trading agencies, build Hell in pocket universes, set up pacts upon pacts, mow their lawns, trim their hedges, look over their shoulders......
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  • Octavo
    replied to Mutapan Empire!
    So far, this has been my favorite chapter in the Dark Eras Companion. I am curious about what Path and Order Tools the Shona would use. High Speech is referenced as is using Pillar points to create powerful Yantras for the subtle arcana....
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  • They can, but usually only one. One of the listed relics was a sorcerer who died shortly after it's done. Makes me think of what the Weret-Hekau thought about how dangerous Sekhem was. It's grabbing plutonium with your bare hands. Even the Mages use the Arcana like tongs to manipulate it at a distance....
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