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  • And most opportunities to play the game have come in the nineteen years hence, right? My point is that events of the last two decades have probably made a lot of people reluctant to tackle a game whose core setting is the middle east. To play M:tR, you would either have to address these issues (which can lead to a lot of "situations" at the table) or you have to ignore it - which brings its own awkwardness to the table.

    I very much suspect this is why the game line only ever got a core and a player's guide. Even Orpheus got six books. I think White Wolf saw the timing of...
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  • What?

    Okay so first off, no. The idea of lycanthropy as a curse in folklore is pretty rare, and the idea of it as an infection is non-present (I mean the idea of diseases being communicable like that is itself pretty recent, after all.) Most often lycanthropy is something a person sought out. In European folklore, this is most often through making a pact with the devil; the potential werewolf is granted an article of clothing, or a salve, or some ritual that will allow them to become a wolf as they please. Sometimes it's a blessing from god - St. Thomas Aquinas is sometimes said to...
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  • You can still force someone onto the Labyrinth, BUT, they'll just die unless they accept the Wyrm's embrace on it.
    If a Garou just just running around doing whatever it wants, and not fighting for gaia - or actively fighting against the Gaian Garou, as can often be the case for the ronin - then they're already doing the Wyrm's work by the Spiral's estimation, and like MyWifeIsScarry said, an unknowing but living servant of the Wyrm is more useful than a knowing but dead one.

    This is also one of the reasons the Spirals let the Skin Dancers do their thing without trying to recruit...
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  • Well, there was the awkwardness of a game where your characters had to spend a substantial amount of time in the Middle East... being released in the early 2000's... "Hmmm, do I want to try to portray the Second Intifada or the Iraq War at my table? UHHHHHH NOPE"
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  • In fact the Spirals will NOT force wyrn-tainted Garou down the Spiral. It's actually against their version of the Litany which, to paraphrase, demands they not antagonize other servants of the Wyrm. Besides; the tainted Garou will probably come their way eventually ANYWAY. The tribe actually has scads of "ronin," not Garou who have left the tribe, but Spiral-born Garou who haven't joined, for... whatever reasons (usually because they don't meet the Spirals' standards, which says a lot about the sort of garou we're looking at.)
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  • Alright so. I'm just gonna put my neck out on this and say that, even though this is probably how such a society would probably function "for real," it's not a real society. We do need some boundaries and barriers; at the end of the day it's a game people play for fun, and the PCs are supposed to be the heroes. If I come to your table and you tell me this about kinfolk, well I'm not even going to sit down, i'm taking the snacks I brought and heading home. I dunno, maybe someone enjoys this ultra-harsh, crapsack grimdark stuff, buuuuut. We gotta make allowances for the enjoyability of...
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  • While there's nothing specifically about the "prima nocta" fantasy crap, the books DO make it very clear that Garou would regularly "claim" kinfolk from one another. They were counted as possessions and resources that could be won in battle, like caerns or fetishes. The Silver Fangs are specifically mentioned as having regularly claimed the best kinfolk from other tribes as their own stock. The Get of Fenris and Fianna and Fangs all took the remainder of the White Howler kinfolk that they wanted. In the Americas, the Three Brothers would often abduct kinfolk from one other,...
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  • A bit of camp / subtribe-related headcanon, mostly tied to the Silver fangs

    • The Get of Fenris camps do not call themselves by the names presented in the books (mostly). The tribe as a whole disdains camps as diversions from the true calling of the Garou, and so have demeaned them by saddling them with the names of Vanir and Aesir gods; beings that the tribe holds in derision. The exceptions are the Hand of Tyr, who have embraced the name as a symbol of Fenris' retribution against oathbreakers, and the Swords of Heimdall, who embrace it out of a combination of their own ignorance...
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  • The same advice i always give people asking about Pentex stuff; look at real world corporate practices.

    The weird thing about Pentex and its "cheesiness" is that its really not that cheesy at all. All it does is add a conspiracy of collusion to actual stuff happening in the real world; hell, sometimes the real world is even crazier (no Pentex subsidy written yet has tried to copyright a cultural holiday, or patent human beings, or make drinking water not provided by the company a crime...)

    For the Omega Plan, just assume that Exxon-Mobil and Elon Musk are working...
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  • Werewolf didnt really have any books made "obsolete," with two exceptions (more later)

    Generally new books simply expanded on old ones, corrected a few places, and were largely redundant. The 1st and 2nd Edition Players Guides are both fully functional and compatible, save for the things the 2nd edition specifically changes.

    Sometimes the overhaul can be so extreme that it feels like the older book is obsolete; several tribebooks have this going on, where the "vision" of the tribe changed a lot between 1st, 2nd, and revised. The Black Furies, Bone...
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  • the Get of Fenris tribebook does, in fact, talk about how the earliest followers of Fenris wrre wanderers, eho only settled in Scando-Europe somewhat later in their history (though still pre-Impergium)

    Much like the Shadow Lords and Fianna, then its very strongly implied that the trie heavily predates its modern kinfolk culture influences. So, why not have an ancient pan-arctiv tribe that, sometime between the sinking of Beringia anf the start of the Impergium, split in two?

    Of course then we open the idea that there have been more, possibly FAR more than sixteen tribes;...
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