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  • I tend to compared Beast to Changeling a lot in this regard. Both games are very flexible in what you can build your character to do, so how scary one is in any given type of conflict is exceedingly variable; whereas Vampire and Werewolf are much more focused in the kind of monster you're playing.
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  • Werewolves don't have any innate abilities (though lots of things don't work on a Frenzying werewolf) for resisting mental powers beyond whatever restrains the abilities in question (such as Dominate difficulties being based on the target's Willpower).

    There are Merits, Gifts, and etc. that can aid in this. Ragabash and Gnawer Gifts are good places to look.
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  • Your ST is using a house rule. It is explicitly not how the RAW work.

    Also, even if you have 10 permanent Renown in each category, you don't gain Rank until you undergo a Rank Challenge. If you're gaining Renown very rapidly, it doesn't mean you have the stats to win your Rank Challenges easily (and the higher the Rank, the challenges are supposed to be hard enough that the success rate is low on top of it). Temporary Renown doesn't go above 10, and doesn't automatically turn over to permanent; it takes a Rite or a few unique circumstances. Gaining 20 temporary Renown before your...
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  • It's... pretty simple:

    Anything in the gaming books trumps anything else. If they bring things in from other sources, those are now part of the gaming books. If there's a contradiction, the gaming books win. The gaming book's version of LA trumps VTM:Bloodlines even if some of the characters in it - not counting the ones the video game took from the gaming books - were later introduced to the gaming books.

    If the gaming books say that it isn't a property of vampire saliva, and the novels ignore that, the gaming books win in what the default answer for the game is....
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  • I never said "should."

    The issue with how the novels frequently get mentioned, is that those mentions skip the context that WW didn't exercise editorial control over them to ensure they actually matched up with the gaming books, which is a pretty big deal in considering them in how you want to possibly house rule on a topic. The WoD fiction written parallel to the gaming books has the same inspirational worth as non-WoD specific vampire fiction.
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  • It might help to contact Onyx Path via the Kickstarter page rather than here.

    That said, in the past, digital rewards for existing books haven't been released early like you're asking for. It's possible to do (esp. now that Rich is using Backerkit), but it's more work for the folks handling it.
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  • Using the novels like that is a recipe for lots of table arguments. The novels were always written (and the original WW made this perfectly clear) with narrative trumping obeying the TT rules.

    If you want to house rule things, house rule them. But treating the VtM novels as how the game is supposed to work isn't a good idea (esp. when if your players start reading them to see if they can point to Disciplines that are stronger in the novels than the rules say they are)./
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to You Know What I Hate MK I
    Dude, that's complete bullshit. Yeah, Feig handled the Internet backlash crappily but in your own links he doesn't label everyone that disliked the movie as a womanhater. He was clearly addressing the specific volume of social media backlash against the film based on it's all female cast before it was even released; so it wasn't about the quality of the film.

    Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight even used Ghostbusters as a demonstration on why IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, and so on all kinda suck at adequately communicating the aggregate views on a film. In it he points out that...
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  • This would mean more if your following posts didn't demonstrate a complete double standard in regards to your own posting since you: constantly bring up how these are early rules subject to change (unconstructive, we all know that, bringing up the dislike of them is how to generate change), misrepresent what other people are saying (uncivil), and use ad hominem appeals to the rabid fanboy to avoid having to make a decent point (uncivil and unconstructive)....
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  • Well, that's not actually RAW. That's mythology according to the evil blood gods who feed on mankind as written. The Noddist mythology that's the default mythology (not facts) the Kindred follow is kinda biased in being apologistic towards vampires via blaming a higher power for their problems....
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  • OK, first off, let's remember that there are religious members of the board, and talking about stuff that happens in the gaming books is very different from the holy books from people's actual faiths.

    And no, it's really not hard to understand, because like most holy books the whole idea is to communicate cultural lessons and norms.

    First, Cain is punished for killing Abel. Because murder is bad. The punishment is extremely harsh. Cain is banished from his remaining family, and has his livelihood stripped from him (Cain was a farmer, and his punishment includes being...
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  • Yeah, they still can lick wounds closed. Though it's far less useful considering their weakness and all.
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  • 1 to 3) The first phrasing I came across in V20 is that it works on wounds made by their own fangs. So you can't shut bites by other vampires, or non-bite wounds. There's nothing that says it doesn't work on people that die in the process, though I'm inclined to think that's supposed to be in scene (bodies don't just cease all function despite death occurring)..

    4) In Noddist myth, it's actually the Archangels that curse Caine. In the Biblical story Cain successfully pleads for mercy from persecution for being the first murderer and is granted that (the mark of Cain is actually...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to Kinfolk.
    There's almost always a way. Though the default of the game makes it far too much effort/risk to be worth it.

    As noted, CoG: Rev. is not generally considered a good book to look to for this sort of thing. There's a lot of weird in it that never shows up again (for good reasons IMO at least).
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  • I'd say that Brawl Supernal has its place. Going grapple focused probably is more Brawl Supernal useful because there's less grapple specific stuff to buy up, so it gets to the Essence 3 and 4 range much faster (IIRC there's 13 Brawl Charms that are just Grappling without a pre-req from one of the other Brawl tress, and around half of them are Essence 3+).

    While Resistance is usually the default compliment to this (so you can tank any attacks while you grapple each individual opponent to death), Survival's Familiar tree could be an interesting variant if your Familiar is decent at...
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  • CTPhipps -

    OK, we get it. You like a very specific take on WtA. Sometimes it's supported by supplements in various places, sometimes it isn't. For the sake of keeping discussions from toeing the line of various unconstructive things (like getting into edition border skirmishes), can you tone it back a bit?

    This video game is going to rely heavily on fans liking it, which means fans feeling it captures something ephemeral in the sense of "doing the setting justice." If it's exactly the kind of WtA game you want to play, but something that turns off everyone...
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  • Sure. Black Unicorn acts as a pack Totem, so each of his packs has a unique avatar of Black Unicorn spirit running around.



    Mechanics would probably depend a bit on how you want this to manifest. Do you want to do a Gandalf "You Shall Not Pass" move that causes Banes to flee for a short period of time? Do you want an aura of menace that weaker banes will avoid, but stronger ones can power through? Do you want the power to cower a bane at a time with fear so it is powerless? There's a lot of options with fear effects.



    Well, if...
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  • IIRC W20 has maintained the same stance that previous editions have: Erebus can theoretically cleanse a BSD, but it's never successfully been accomplished. In W20's Umbra book has there currently a BSD in Erebus and the spirits there having spent a long time trying to make it happen.

    I mean, it actually happening isn't going to break the setting, but it's a pretty major event that would get a lot of attention. It seems perfectly reasonable that a BSD that managed it would be exceedingly nervous about being around the Garou Nation since there would be a lot of aggressive recruitment...
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  • If you want to discuss, we can discuss.

    Just disagreeing with lots of words isn't discussing....
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  • Erm no. Ronin are pariahs who are shunned as punishment and despised by the spirits that the Ronin let down by not stepping up to their duties. Tormenting and abusing them directly isn't actually acceptable by the general rules of Garou society.

    The torment and abuse comes from the perception that Ronin frequently fall to service to the Wyrm. The Wyrm's forces offer companionship and paths to respect and power that Ronin are cut of from otherwise. The Ronin are stuck with either suffering the misery their condition implies, or being assumed to be traitors if they manage to find...
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