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  • I generally agree, but I think there's a more nuanced discussion on whether or not "doing it right" is worth attempting than simply updating the old book to the new rules.

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    Of course, I hate when WOD:G* gets compared to Charnel Houses of Europe. Charnel Houses wasn't WOD: Jews. One is a book that decided a single minority group that happens to feature heavily in a number of inspirational material for the WoD (not necessarily in a good way). One is a book about a historical event that had a huge impact on the course of history.

    Both subject...
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  • To spend some of my limited charity for WW, Martin's talk of doing a new book on the Rrom in the WoD was in the context of "doing it right" this time around; including a different title....
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to Klaive question of size
    I never owned one. My friend that used to own a FLGS got one back in the day and had the official blurb on it (most of his physical inventory is in storage so I wasn't going to ask him to dig it out), which we confirmed with online resources.
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to Klaive question of size
    The official physical replica that was released is supposed to have a blade 18.5 inches long and a 1/4 inch thick, with a total length of 29 inches. There's lots of pictures of it online to recreate the details from. Though it seems fairly short compared to the ones in the books.
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to Health Points
    Health in the various Story* family games doesn't always work exactly the same way, but it might help if you could articulate where the system(s) loses you?

    Effectively speaking, Health in these games is just a very small pool of HP, and you take penalties when you take damage beyond being closer to running out of HP. The why here is because fights (even epic action fights) don't work like D&D HP where you can get punched, stabbed, slashed, bashed, burnt, and crushed, but as long as you don't lose that last HP you still operate just as effectively as you went in. Characters...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    The Nagah and Ananasi don't really... do species spreads? They got for a more amalgam approach compared to the Bastet or Mokole methods.

    As for the Kitsune, the problem is that of the major canid groups, what do you do with Cerdocyonina? If it was just Vulpini and Canina then things are simple. The vuplines are Kitsune and the canines are Garou. Having a group in the middle that's more genetically close to canines, but more ecologically close to vuplines (and this is where the maned wolf is, which this thread spun off from discussing), makes it harder to figure out what goes where....
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to Is D20 done?
    Outside of the announced 20th books already known, WW and OP haven't really said anything about new 20th books that wasn't a sign towards not seeing them.

    Though if you're down for it, the ST Vault has been expanded fairly significantly and someone might do the book you're looking for there.
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    "Domesticated," is the important qualifier. While domestication is a scaled state and reversible state, it's an observable state that you can use to draw a line between Garou (or Fera) appropriate breeding stocks and not. Where you put the line is fairly arbitrary and going to really be hand-waving for the sake of ease of play.
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    The Silver Fangs and the Bone Gnawers are definitely good as cross-Tribal camps as well (The Fangs already have seven internal Houses, the Gnawers don't link to any specific group of humans and even are reputed to not be so picky about just trying with wolves anyway).

    And as CeltSPZ notes, it really depends on how you do "ethnic." The Garou Tribes aren't really ethnic as they were built around specific character cliches, but are all generally far more broad than what one could say is a single ethnic group (at least by modern times), while making it clunky and weird in their...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    I'm... not a fan of the Red Talons as written, and less so in this sort of set up. Though "Red Talon" as short hand for a cross-Tribal camp that is generally anti-human, having malicious tricksters among them would certainly make sense.




    I think it works well enough for pretty much all the other diverse Fera to have the Tribes based on broad groups within the larger general clade. Adding in cross-tribal Camps as a primary social grouping instead of an optional side thing ensures most of the core concepts for WtA are still represented....
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to No Maned Wolf fera?
    The books are really unclear what the Celican are supposed to be, as their physical characteristics don't actually line up to any extant species (the Bubasti have a similar issue but at least the game actually makes it a point of that)....
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  • Werewolf politicking is very much a thing, but also very different.

    Werewolves - outside of extraordinary situations - don't have anything like a Prince or a Court to answer to. Each pack has it's own territory that it runs how it wants. Thus politics in Forsaken comes in two primary flavors: external negotiations and internal politics. External negotiations (and these are werewolves that can run the gamut of actual attempts at peaceful solutions or beating the shit out of the other side until they relent) deals with everything from neighboring packs to keeping the local spirit...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to No Maned Wolf fera?
    It's certainly a hot mess, esp. considering how Pure Breed manifests vs. what wolves/canines from those areas actually look like, though at least the thylacines and African wild dogs are supposed to have had some magical power (aka the Mokole) behind them being part of the Garou kin stock (as much as I dislike that approach). Dingos are descended from wolves as long feral dogs (though the idea of them being Red Talons is kind of ridiculous as feral enough to be 'wolves' again dogs are kinda obviously Gnawer territory). The confusion around the Striders can be chalked up a bit to the fact that...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    "Lynx can't be a Khan," is true, but human kinfolk blur lines since a Qualmi kin can mate with a Pumonca and have a child of mixed heritage between different Bastet Tribes.

    It's even less of a problem for the canines because we have more examples of naturally occurring hybrids. Coyotes and wolves will interbreed on their own, and their offspring are not sterile.

    Canids also have more overlapping territories than Felids do, so human kin are even more likely to have a mix of lineages in them.

    13 Tribes of wolves is already too big, even without this...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to Martial Arts & Boxing
    Martial Arts 3 and Boxing 2 don't get upgrades from MA 4 or 5. They deal bashing damage based on opponent actions, not your unarmed strikes.

    You can definitely combine MA 4 and Boxing 4 for a lethal damage strike with extra damage on a successful hit. MA 5 and Boxing 4 should also stack by my reading of the Hurt Locker stacking guidelines (they both make the attack do more damage, but one is a flat damage increase and the other is bonus dice), but there's a judgemental call to make there and some people might disagree validly.
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  • And more like "roll a d20 and only a 20 is verifiable true, and even then you'll want to corroborate" than a coin flip by most studies. Even if the victim thinks they're relating to the truth to their torturer (aka something that sneaks past most supernatural powers that would apply to help), they're likely getting stuff wrong by accident or exaggeration.

    Confessions aren't about getting to the truth, they're about good PR. Humans are wired to feel more comfortable with laying blame on someone that confesses. It alleviates our apprehension and guilt over assigning blame...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to No Maned Wolf fera?
    Despite the name "maned wolf" they're not wolves. They're not even a species that has been called a wolf for ages so there's some cultural symbolism there. The indigenous languages there tend to use words for "fox" because there are no other natural canids there other than foxes (even if a different clade of foxes than vuplines like the red fox).

    So the only reason to even think of them as wolves is because Europeans decided to call them that when seeing them for the first time over what the locals called them. Bush dogs are called dogs because Europeans called...
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  • Heavy Arms
    replied to No Maned Wolf fera?
    I treat them as Uktena kin and the dominant visual patterning of Uktena living in South America... I believe some book somewhere backs me up on that but I was doing that before I know about some obscure reference to them.

    But I prefer a more expansive view on "wolf" than a lot of people seem to default to (even as the books themselves take decent amounts of liberties with other canines besides Canis lupus).
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  • Eh? Lots of Disciplines are insanely problematic if you're not going to hand-wave physics because Disciplines are magic. You don't even have to go into the strange rare Disciplines here.
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  • Sure, for the shorter books if you have the equipment already and want to do a perfect binding yourself, it shouldn't be too bad. For non-RPG projects, I've done a metal loop binding on bigger books (letting you get them flat) and put them in a binder cover to give them a spine to label... it's not pretty but it worked.
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