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Seems to me that Shadow-Mind Meditation is only minimally compatible with Silver Mask Submersion.

If you use the shadow-mind before submerging under your mask, the shadow-mind's Intimacies will replaced with those of the mask, but the mask persona will be protected and restrained by the shadow-mind's negativity, and will have the social and mental Attribute ratings of the Dark Premise Duality. The mask persona won't necessarily know they're a shadow-mind with the possibility to meditate away the cynicism.

Using shadow-mind AFTER submerging under a mask, again, requires...

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In the same one as the Terrestrial Exalted, since it's where he said he'd cover "other Exalted".

Not that there currently are others besides those two....

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Robert, I'm not sure how to feel about Lunar Shadow-Mind Meditation.


It's like Solar Heart-Eclipsing Shroud, but you can only have one alternate persona, it's not even fully alternate since it must begin with the same Defining Intimacies and Tie for a Solar Mate, and it is always unrelentingly negative, bitter, cynical, skeptical, fearful, or hateful to the point that it cannot voluntarily cultivate a positive opinion.

I realize that Silver Mask Submersion offers more flexibility than Solar Heart-Eclipsing Shroud, if without nearly as much self-control over what...

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And if you're ALREADY a cold-blooded cynic more than willing to do dirty work? What good does it do you then?

Do you then begin to spend most of your time in the shadow-mindset, treating it as your true self, and outside of that mind-set you begin to erode your negative Intimacies and cultivate more positive Intimacies in order to convince people whom you consider soft and weak-willed that you're one of them?


Lunars are light as well as darkness. Is there no room for a Bright-Mind Meditation which makes it easier to reject negative influence and restricts you from...

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I'm ambivalent about Lunar Shadow-Mind Meditation.

It's like Solar Heart-Eclipsing Shroud, but you can only have one alternate persona, it's not even fully alternate since it must begin with the same Defining Intimacies and Tie for a Solar Mate, and it is always unrelentingly negative, bitter, cynical, skeptical, fearful, or hateful to the point that it cannot voluntarily cultivate a positive opinion.

As a disguise against understanding and persuasion, it is lackluster.

As a mental defense against seduction, the four hours needed to invoke it is really awkward....

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Can you exchange Stealth Charms for Presence Charms? Bureaucracy Charms for Integrity or Awareness Charms?

I'm away from my books....

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Do you suppose there is room for a Solar Charm that lets you jump into a different persona when you use Battle-Fury Focus? Possibly also Ascendant Battle-Visage, and similar combat power-up Charms?

Because I've always thought that Lunars had room for an upgrade to Dark Premise Duality, where activating Hybrid Body Transformation, Deadly Beastman Transformation, or Relentless Lunar Fury would allow the Lunar to instantly jump into (or out of) Shadow-Mind Meditation for the duration of the combat power-up Charm.

Neither would let you change your combat Abilities, but you...

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Sometimes the challenge the Eclipse faces to survive is so great that it outweighs the risk of never remembering who they once were. Those Socialize dots are needed elsewhere....

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This inspired me to go looking back at Lunar Guile Charms, and I'm blown away by how I completely missed (or could ever have forgotten about) Silver Mask Submersion.

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Isn't Touch of Blissful Relief a pain-relieving Charm?

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I’d think each temperance stage of a virtuous cycle would be more like making a new tool with the previous tool than refining the old tool.

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Ah yes. My mistake.

The metaphor still seems to hold, given the use of elemental opposites (fire and water) to reorder something according to your desire, and to achieve a desired balance between qualities....

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DrLoveMonkey you were right about Riot of Clouds; you can use that on a turn where you used a non-attack Simple Charm like Raging Fire-Dragon Spirit.

Vivacious Dragon Spirit is an Aura Charm with a scene-length duration; you need an Aura to invoke it but don't lose it if you lose the Aura.

So it seems possible to reverse that and have a Charm you can activate without an Aura, which could generate an Aura at the end of your turn if you don't use other, unBalanced elements, so the Charm could have a One Turn duration that, if you have an Aura, instead gains an Aura Duration....

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Can you effectively clash an opponent's attack with Mirror-on-Water Focus by delaying your action until the tick in which the enemy attacks, and then invoking the Simple-type Charm?

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The way you gain Limit or regain Willpower and especially the way in which you can earn XP by upholding or betraying Intimacies seems closer to a proper mechanical representation for it. Especially the XP....

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This seems relevant to Exalted, which has attempted to reuse the idea of the Four Greek Virtues in previous editions with... mixed results, but that even still today wants to explore the idea of "heroism".


Someone explained to me recently that a Vicious Cycle (literally a cycle of Vice) had a lost nuance which also informs its opposite, the seldom-mentioned Virtuous Cycle (a cycle by which something continuously improves or becomes healthier, stronger, larger).

Apparently the Greek philosophers who cared so much about heroism and virtue reasoned among...

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Elemental Bolt Attack has a similar problem as Currents Sweep: What if your target is already in range?

As a grappler, your target might already be at close range, within your grasp. No need for a grapple gambit that reaches out to short range, especially if there's already plenty of water around.

With Elemental Bolt Attack, spending the anima is just to extend the range from short to medium. If your target is at short or close range, there's no point.


Dragon-Graced Weapon lets you discard your weapon and conjure up something completely different,...

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I wish Terrestrial Brawl had such a flexible way to burn anima. Currents Sweep Out to Sea doesn't compare in that regard.

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You're right.



Indeed. And in throwing it, you can afford to break the mote commitment after the attack is over, so you could respire those motes at the end of the round.



I can't point to a ruling at this time, but it HAS to be smaller than a "tick", which is a moment in which multiple characters with the same Initiative value act at the same time.

An "instant" seems to refer to an instance of conflict, like a reflexive contest between Stealth and Awareness, or the resolution process of a single attack, several...

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You're right.



Indeed. And in throwing it, you can afford to break the mote commitment after the attack is over, so you could respire those motes at the end of the round.



I can't point to a ruling at this time, but it HAS to be smaller than a "tick", which is a moment in which multiple characters with the same Initiative value act at the same time.

An "instant" seems to refer to an instance of conflict, like a reflexive contest between Stealth and Awareness, or the resolution process of a single attack, several...