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  • Sunder the Gold
    replied to Arms of the Chosen Preview
    In line with "disagreeing in good faith"...

    Shining Ice Mirror's elemental expressions are not subtle at all, and what subtlety the weapon has is in the form of physical grace that is totally within the wheelhouse of orichalcum.

    Spring Razor is also flashy and dynamic and not what I would call "subtle". Perhaps "patient" or "rewards patience", but those are also words I could apply to Stormcaller.

    Volcano Cutter is the epitome of dynamic, explosive power, and even it also encourages patience as you build towards greater...
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    If shapeshifting is considered celestial, orichalcum could even do that, and everything else moonsilver does.

    Perhaps the one material it cannot explicitly or implicitly mimic is soulsteel.
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    Those pieces of Second Edition canon are not contradicted by Third Edition canon, and even in the new corebook SVNS is named after its creator. I'll be the first to admit that most anyone who isn't a Lunar could be called the Silver-Voiced Nightengale, but that fact is not a contradiction.

    In any case, the REAL point stands: A Lunar cannot create a Martial Arts Style that a Solar cannot perform better, at least on the technical level represented by the Mastery keyword.


    As for my dismissal of orichalcum as a "do anything" metal, I'm not actually very bothered....
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    Which means it is essentially the "do anything" metal....
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  • That's cool. More examples would help.

    But are these NEW non-shapeshifting properites, or something that illustrates what the quoted passage in the original post was ACTUALLY trying to say?

    "Moonsilver’s... Evocations often unite wielder and weapon in a bridge of primal instinct or mystical insight." -- Ex3 Core, page 613

    Like I said, the passage is wordy without being informative, it is not clarified by any other sentence, and wordcount is instead devoted to making moonsilver the ONLY magical material where the book tells us what it can't do instead...
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    Weather is meteorological, not celestial. Not in the sense of sun, moon, or stars.

    Neither is Stormcaller about raw power; it's about elemental power, with rain, wind, and lightning. Would you call Volcano Cutter's Evocations things of raw power?



    Demons aren't reasonable excuses for giving Orichalcum any power that doesn't naturally fall under Orichalcum, because there are demons for everything.

    Functionally, binding a demon into an artifact is just another really cool Special Ingredient you could do with most anything of any material....
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    "Sorcerous" would be interacting with the sorcery system in some way, like the Million-Eyed Ruby or other phylacteries.

    Mimicking something like the effects of a single spell does not strike me as "sorcerous".


    In short, I would have never accepted this weapon as Orichalcum if it weren't written as such in official Onyx Path materials....
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    Imagine how frustrated a Lunar player feels, looking at the Mastery-level effects of Silver-Voiced Nightengale Style and White Reaper Style.

    Lunar Exalted CREATED those Styles, but will never enjoy the level of mastery that Solar Exalted can achieve with them.

    But this is something harmonious with the setting; it is a Good Bad....
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    There are limits even to Solar excellence. Solars do not have the souls of Dragons, and reasonably cannot meet the highest Elemental demands of Jade....
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  • Vance, any chance that Arms of the Chosen might shed some light on moonsilver's non-shapeshifting properties?
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    Or they're Normal with their Caste Material and Dissonant with everything else.

    The original idea was that Alchemicals would be fairly weak with Evocations, as their focus is supposed to be more internal, with their physically-installed machine-Charms.

    That idea might change.


    In any case, isn't Stormcaller easily converted into a Blue Jade reaper daiklaive which can have its top Evocations gated by Dragon-Blooded Charms?...
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    Jade is practically FIVE DIFFERENT magical materials, isn't it?...
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  • It was thinking about possible Lunar Charms that got me on this idea.

    I've been wanting a Charm that a Lunar can use to convey social actions through alterations of the environment. Clawmarks on a tree, pissing on some rocks, or erecting a freaky totem pole can be used to repel invaders from the area with supernatural fear, while more inviting messages (such as perfume sprayed on a door-jam or a sock left on a door) can be used to lure people further in against their better judgment.

    This thread made me realize that such social influence could be rolled as a Linguistics...
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  • As a Solar, could I leave a single discarded sock in the foyer of my home as a medium to perform a Manipulation + Linguistics social action to lure someone to my bed-chambers?

    With Letter-Within-A-Letter Technique, a single guest of an entire arriving party is the only one to recognize the true meaning of the sock.

    With Voice-Caging Calligraphy, they are rendered incapable of unwittingly or intentionally alerting their friends of my intentions.

    With Stolen-Voice Technique and Moving the Unseen Hand, I could actually be an invader to the home who fools the...
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  • Wait, I changed my mind about Flashing Quill Atemi. How does this sound?

    FQA doesn't alter the functional form of an object; a scroll remains a scroll and a book remains a book. It simply alters the object enough to change the message conveyed through it. As long as FQA wouldn't alter how the target object works, a Solar could completely alter a book or a painting at a touch. Words carved into a tree trunk can be smoothed over and recarved.

    The Solar cannot rearrange the stone walls of the maze to spell something else, because that would change the functional path of...
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  • Sunder the Gold
    replied to Is Vitriol an Element?
    My position is that, in this Edition, the Primordials did not create the Elements, but merely found them and used them to make Creation, which is separate from Gaia's souls and bodies. Elementals already arose from the Elements.

    For me, this is an important distinction for what qualifies as "an Element".

    If Vitriol is a substance produced by Malfeas, it's not really an Element, any more than Malfean bronze or granite is, or the acidic waters of Kimberry, or the razor winds of Adjoran. These things would be the substance of Primordial bodies rather than independent...
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    I see that I misunderstood what you meant by "heading". You meant a single space in a Keyword glossary where the special rule denoted by the Keyword is explained ONCE.

    As opposed to a Keyword that means nothing more than "there's extra rules at the end of this Charm which are completely different from the extra rules at the end of other Charms with this keyword"....
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  • Sunder the Gold
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    NONE of this makes any sense.

    But most particularly, you seem to be having trouble understanding my position that Autochthon could have made six Elements part of his BODY without needing to integrate them into the hierarchy of his SOULS.

    Primordials are not spirits. They have bodies separate from their souls. Ligier is not the Demon City....
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  • Looking through the Linguistics Charms, I don't think much needs to change.

    All of the Linguistics Charms involving writing can easily cover painting; in fact, Linguistics already explicitly covers illustration and map-making.

    But whenever a character wants to carve, sculpt, or assemble an image, he still needs to use Craft and Craft Charms, because the materials and work required are more involved than applying ink to paper. Usually, this will only require a Basic project. Rarely will this ever involve a Major project. If you're trying to carve, sculpt, or assemble a...
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  • Sunder the Gold
    replied to Is Vitriol an Element?
    I never said a word about them being part of his soul hierarchy.

    Plus, they're not merely IN his body, they ARE his body. Autochthonia is composed entirely of Crystal, Metal, Oil, Lightning, Steam, and Smoke. Autochthonia is repeatedly referred to as the body of the Machine God -- the pole of Crystal is his brain, the pole of Metal is his flesh and bone, the pole of Oil is his heart and blood, the pole of Smoke is his diseased lung and also his stomach (since it contains the acids that he uses to recycle the waste materials that fall to his bottom-most pits). His chosen elements compose...
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