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There is nothing about the core rules that suggests to me the possibility that you can Move one range band in any direction from your opponent without Disengaging.

Which means that you are locked into your current range band.

I pasted the relevant core rules in the first post on the first page, if you want to double-check. The Move action is how you get closer to a character or landmark which is not in your current range band. You explicitly cannot use a Move action to create distance from an opponent at close range, which is what you would be doing if you could use the...

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I agree that such a thing is perfect for a Warstrider's Evocations, but I respectfully disagree that adding Artifact Armor components to a Warstrider is redundant.

Well, I'll just have to wait and see what Warstriders are like in Arms....

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THANK YOU.

The story of the Ebon Dragon whisking her away is a good one, but there are SO MANY other good stories to tell about her disappearance.

It would be nice if, for once, the possibility that a Lunar Exalt actually succeeded in killing and eating her was given equal weight. Likewise the possibility that the Empress really IS just faking her disappearance and seeing which of her kids are loyal.

Or split the difference -- a Lunar Exalt nearly killed her, but she survived, and the Sidereals whisked her away to nurse her back to health....

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If they don't Move, they don't remain within close range of you, which means that your Move action is an automatically successful Disengage action without the Initiative cost, and thus Disengaging is pointless.

The point of the reflexive Move action is to preserve the point of the Disengage action. It is to preserve the lack of distance between you and the people trying to punch you in the face....

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You need to Disengage to create distance from an enemy that doesn't want you to create distance. As long as only two characters are involved, that's simple.

The rules are less clear about moving towards a third party who isn't in the same range band as the first two.

If moving towards the third party without a Disengage action is impossible, then the matter stops there. But if moving towards the third party is possible without a Disengage, then all opponents within close range of you may reflexively follow after you outside of their turns.

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Idea Check: Artifact Armor, but for a Warstrider.

A bunch of extra armor plates designed to fit over an existing warstrider's hull, providing extra protection and abilities, with a penalty in regards to mobility and operation costs. The plating can be voluntarily jettisoned at any time to free up the Warstrider.

Sounds okay?


Likewise, in an Alternate Setting/Shard where mundane Striders are available to Exalted who can't afford Warstriders, Strider-scaled Artifact armor could be used to make up some of the difference, just as mundane Striders can be...

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Agreed, but as Aretii suggests, I was referring to proportion rather than actual numbers.



For the Lunar Exalted, picking up sorcery could be driven by the necessity of survival, and the older Lunars who tattoo them could also initiate them into sorcery....

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Even if a thing like a demon can reproduce more of itself, it and its progeny will never have the growth potential of the Exalted.

Even Third Circle Demons are only magically amazing (or even simply "good") at a few things, typically. Ligier isn't likely to become particularly amazing at disguising himself, moving unseen, composing poetry that can destroy kingdoms, reorganizing a failing bureaucracy, or safely sailing a ship through the Wyld seas.

Every single Exalt can learn Charms based on any of the 25 Abilities or 9 Attributes. Even if that Exalt doesn't...

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Informal Opinion Poll:

Given how Lunar Exalted may have worse faculty for crafting than crafting-focused Terrestrial Exalted, and a larger bent than anyone else towards working with no tools, lots of disposable tools, or a vanishingly rare number of indispensable tools, and given their generally witchy, shaman-y theme...

Do you think that more Lunar Exalted at least dip into Terrestrial Circle Sorcery than the Exalted of other Hosts?


Spells are tools that the Lunar Exalted don't need to carry or worry about being stolen. Sorcerous workings are creations...

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The Dex+Ath pool could reflect the swordsman sprinting and maneuvering so that he always stands between the brawler and whatever path he might take to get back up on the roof. Which makes perfect sense.

It doesn't make sense if the brawler is the size of an ox. Merits can cover that, though.

Just for a man and an ox having an exclusive running duel, where neither side is looking to Disengage, any difference in size, weight, or strength doesn't matter at all.

(As for a man bulldozing through another man who is trying to cut off his escape, the bulldozing would...

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Can you point to another case where the rules suddenly and radically change the kind of actions they are supposed to represent?...

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Should brass knuckles really have the Smashing tag when heavy shields don't?

Even leaving the issue of shields aside entirely, fist weapons getting the Smashing tag seems odd. You could impart more smashing force behind a staff that you swing into someone's gut than you could into a slightly heavier fist.

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You mean the notion that you could have a creature indistinguishable from a human being, save that it lacks a "soul"?

Yeah, I think that idea is silly and sucks....

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Do you feel that Alchemical sorcery is better represented with something like the old Weaving/Protocol system, or with a special kind of Initiation which is only available to someone with Alchemical Charms, and that's the only kind of Initiation that Alchemicals can have?

If Alchemicals are not meant to be capable of sorcerous workings, I could see them having a different system. Is that something they can't do at all, or would there merely be a block that prevents them from doing it inside of Autochthon's body?

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Not move, Move with a capital letter. As in, the Move action, rather than the ability to move in general. The capitalization is important, because the Manipulation Attribute refers to something very specific that does not include such ideas as "the physical manipulation of objects".

Likewise, the Move action is very specifically the ability to depart from your current range band, which is what being Embattled prevents without a successful Disengage action. An Embattled character is free to move around inside the current range band, which is why she can Disengage at all;...

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All very true!

And my concern is that Charms written with very specific justifications for working with or against the Disengage action would suddenly cease to work in this "two dudes running all over the city until some third tactical element is introduced" scenario.

For example, let's suppose there might be an Earth-aspected Athletics Charm that supplements the reflexive Athletics-based check against a Disengage action.

If the Disengage action is ALWAYS about Character A struggling to leave a range band that Character B doesn't want him to leave,...

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Sorry that I dropped out of this thread in the middle of the week; my new job was getting stressful so I couldn't afford to incur more stress from something ultimately unnecessary.


CapitanTypo, you were responding to my scenario of a Water and Fire Aspect running through the desert until they both drew close enough to a river for the Storyteller to give it a set distance.


This is true, but I'm afraid I wasn't clear.

In this scenario, the Water Aspect isn't seeking to use the river to escape, but to turn the tables in the fight. We know that...

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Do you know if the Liminal Exalted will be Ability or Attribute-based?

Either way, will they be able to find Charms of any Aspect in any trait, as do the Dragon-Blooded?

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Alex "Zeus" Mercer, of [Prototype], strikes me as a Flesh Aspect Liminal Exalt.

Through the use of a deadly virus, Zeus was born from the flesh of the original Alex Mercer (as well as the flesh of some nearby unfortunate Parkour enthusiasts). He inherited memories, but his personality, values, and goals are completely different from his creator's.

His Flesh Aspect reflects the purpose of his creation: he was meant as a final, defiant "Fuck You" to the men sent to kill Mercer, and possibly a weapon of vengeance against Black Watch.

His...