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  • PMárk
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    Wormwood Thank you and let me say I think I agree with your conclusions and oppinion....
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  • PMárk
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    That is likely true, but when you're a cop, I think having to deal with someone, who don't have the same reactions "normal" people do, that's unpredictable and terrífying and leaves a lasting impression, regardless of how frequent it actually is. Same with drug users, drunk people and the like, I guess. It's just a higher "oh shit, what they would do?" factor....
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  • PMárk
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    Could you please give a link to a serious, non-partizan, factual study, regarding the topic? Or a good site with statistics?

    Not asking to be contrary, I'm genuinely interested in the facts behind this. I just want to know, if the notion that minorities in the US (or really, anywhere in the first world, like Great Brittain, Germany, France, etc.) are having a proportionally bigger problem with gun violence and illegal gun usage, than the majority population, is true, or not, based on hard numbers, not just perception.

    If no, then, it seems to be really a quasi-racist...
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  • PMárk
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    Agree.

    Generally, I'm glad I came in with Revised and left out the more... let's say, unrefined parts of the lore....
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  • PMárk
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    Same here.

    There are plenty of Romani people around here, where I live. I got that the Ravnos, as their most shallow, most stereotypical corebook depiction were basically the trickster gypsi archetype. Never got me to judge real-world people aroud me in accordance to it. Also, let's face it: it's a popular archetype.

    But surprise-surprise, not every Italian is an incestous banker either. I'm able to handle archetypes/tropes for what they are, not as a generalization of real people.

    Hell, maybe as an in-world lore, the said archetype might be the result of...
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  • PMárk
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    Yes, they are mad prophets, they are the Clan of the Moon, aka, Lunatics. They are are insane, not just mentally ill. They are pretty much the extreme version of the Victorian archetype and way beyond "regular" mental illness.



    I'd say their madness could resemble real mental illnesses (that's how the game always treated it), but I always treated it as being more extreme, more insidious. Think Arkham Asylum instead of your regular mental health center. It's getting exaggerated by the Beast (or caused by the Curse, if they didn't have problems before the emb...
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  • PMárk
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    Just chiming in, but



    That goes both ways, you know. Neither of your experiences and viewpoints are more or less relevant, or justified than the other's.



    I know full well that mental illness is still stigmatized. Part of it is understandable, but as always a lot of it is unfair and untrue.

    However, we're not living in the 19th century any more. Stereotypes and fears ar still around, to some extent, but in the West, you won't get locked into an asylum, by having anxiety and depression problems, or the like. Heck, it's gotten to be...
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  • PMárk
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    Yes.




    Agree.



    Somewhat. I really hope it won't to the extent V5's style and lookout changed in comparison to prior editions. I hope it'll have the gothic-punk VtM feel to it, because it won't work for me without that.



    I'd just say it's not meant to be depiction of real people struggling with mental disorders/illnesses, but a depiction of magically cursed insane vampire-prophets and it meant to be fun and it was fun.




    I could too, namely, very few people enjoying playing Malkavians....
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  • PMárk
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    Diagnosed severe anxiety and depression here, struggling with it, like what, 6 years now?

    Malkavians never bothered me. Yes, people sometimes go silly with them, but for the love of everything, they are insane vampires, their pre-existing (or not) ilnesses exaggerated by the Beast.

    Besides, talking to the lamp post was funny.

    As for gender pronouns, that's not a thing that disturbs me at all. I don't need it, but whatever, if it makes the game more enjoyable for people, sure, include them. I don't consider that preachy, just giving the option....
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  • PMárk
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    More like Spike, and Lestat....
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  • PMárk
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    It's entirelly possible, it'll be totally okay. It's possible it will be preachy and bad. I'll wait and see and won't preorder it, by any means, but I won't assume anything without seeing....
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  • PMárk
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    Eh, it's not surprising for me at all.

    It's the same with real-life political activist groups and the writers are at least in-line in thought, or straight-on involved with several too. Also, connected to that, it's probably a target audience, so they could identify with it and play out their power fantasies....
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  • PMárk
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    Personally, I could say this for the "political" stuff:

    If the game will be written with the intent of "educating" me on contemporary leftist talking points, instead of making a good Vampire story, I'm out.

    To make an example: the whole character of Damsel was a caricature and a joke in VTMB1. If this game will take characters like that completely seriously, nevermind posing as "being in the right", I'm out. This is precisely, why I didn't like the V5 Brujah writeup, making the clan about social activism, not using it, or jsut being frequently...
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    Last edited by PMárk; 03-24-2019, 02:58 PM.

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  • PMárk
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    Honestly, I don't mind blood resonance in it. I'm not that stoked about how the hunger system will work, with the compulsions on top, but we'll see. Disciplines, I'm iffy aboutbeing replaced.

    V5 plot, I imagine it'll have as much of it as Bloodlines had the old VtM plot, so "based on" at best.

    However, one thing that will make, or break the game for me, is the aesthetics and mood (and music, of course). VtMB gave off the mood I associated with VtM over the years, right from the moment you took the first step into Asylum and "Isolation" started playing....
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    Last edited by PMárk; 03-22-2019, 12:15 PM.

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  • I think the most important factors were mentioned. Pathfinder is absent, due to 2e. L5R and V5 was lifted by nostalgia and new edition enthusiasm/curiosity and other factors in the case of L5R.

    I think, in the case of V5 (L5R too, but that isn't a concern here), the bigger question is that would it maintain at least this position, or would it drop off, as the above wears off? Shadowrun and CoC tend to be among the top five, but neither one is there, but two new editions are. It'd be rather interesting to see what happens?...
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