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  • The Dreamweaver Actually, now I'm curious as to the nature of how the physical disciplines might work out. Could a biological female achieve the same level of power as a biological male when it came to utilizing Potence, or Celerity? For mortals, there is overwhelming evidence to support that males are physically superior to females. But how does that affect someone's aptitude for supernatural powers?[/QUOTE]

    I wouldn't say superior. Men tend to be bigger, stronger, more dense muscles, more muscle per body fat ratio, more fast-twitch muscles. They are stronger and faster, on average....
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  • Agree. Whether it's because of the effect of social media, or not, the fringes became more prevalent and loud and sistematically purging the less-fringe parts of their "side". Funnily enough, as a Hungarian, but aslo as someone who follows international trends and news, in my home it's the "right" (if you could even call Orbán that) doing this, while in the US and most Western Europe countries it seems to be the left.

    But the bottom of it: everybody hates their own moderates and especially centrists. ...
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  • You could treat Helena as a godess, while still being condescending toward other female-born vampires you perceive are not better than you and you might hold them to a lover esteem than their male-born counterparts. Also, Mithras could be as mysoginistic as he wants.

    It's like saying you can't be casually racist, just because you acknowledge that some poc are actually quite smart, as individuals. Being bigot doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid and that you can't distinguish between individuals. That won't stop you from perceiving the wider group as inferiour though....
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  • Hate will never be a good answer for hate. It will only usher a cylce of even more hate. Also (perceived) revenge is not justice and that's all I want to say about it....
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  • I so won't touch this can of worms this time.

    However, I'd say this: "our world, but darker (with supernatrual elements)" means exactly like that in my eyes. Shitty things exist and I expect them in the game, the setting and I expect the books not glancing over them as they never did. Does that mean I'll rub all the shitty things in the faces of players players already wounded, even traumatized by them all the time? Of course not. But I don't expect, or want them not to be talked about and portrayed in the books, because "oh, we all know about those things, there's...
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  • Well, we have to disagree on that. Part of why I don't follow 5e is how WotC handles their settings and novel line. The other part is that 5e is just too shallow for me, on many levels, but especially on the costumization of the characters. It's just not enough flexibility for my liking, the advancement is too closed.




    Not that in 5e players wouldn't exploit the system... I mean, level dips are still a thing and advantage fishing very much so. It's just, it's simpler, thus, easier to learn and the system doesn't favor optimizers that much as other editions did,...
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  • That's roughly what I've said earlier. I get that maybe even the earlier VtM authors would have wanted a "narrative" game, but the tools just weren't there yet, so they did a rules-light (in that era), but classic-style game, with focusing on storytelling in the ST and advice sections. However, I liked he game that way. Maybe you could say, I liked the game that was, not the game that was intended, or the game the same authors would make today.

    But that's enough talk about that....
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  • Not really. See the explanation below. There were a lot of games like that in the late '90s/early 2000's. Now, I don't see much, just existing games moving into the indie direction more and more and tons of new games popping up, but almost all I know of using some kind of indie-narrative system version.



    You missed the point entirely. I know there are tons of UF/horror games out there. That's why it's frustrating, because almost all of them are indie-narrative systems, as I've mentioned above. Even CofD 2e went into that direction, though it's still more mechanically...
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  • You don't need to convince me, I didn't have problems with the character. Actually, I had heated arguments with Heavy Arms over it back then and I was on the WW guys' side. I alos defended the hunger and compulsions systems, as I thought they are good ideas.

    Honestly, I was on the edge, until the corebook came out, because I liked a lot of the things they've said, but I knew that it could go two ways. Either they'd implement their ideas in a way I like and this will be possibly my favorite edition, or they will go too far for my tastes, or not in the directions I'd prefer and I won't...
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  • Yeah, RichT said Revised sales dwindled at the end and to be fair, it was an end of an era, in general, the zeitgeist shifted and also, many people got bored of VtM, after 10 years, i guess, or just didn't like the metaplot direction. Speaking of metaplot, there's the thing that the writers have written themselves into a corner with Gehenna, so they had to end it somehow. Also-also, I've heard there were many complaints on the contemporary boards over the things that directly led to Requiem's changes at that time. Accidentaly it seems that really turned out to be of a vocal minority of the overall...
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  • That's true. Many of the more argumentative people already left the whole discussion around the, what, Zack Sabbath and child-eating-Ventrue-int-the-pleytest time? The naysayers who remained were largely the ones who still thought the game might turn out good (like me), but got dissatisfied with the details later on, not the BURN IT, BURN IT ALL folks....
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  • It has the VtM name, it has the same clans, supposedly the same setting. Of course it's less bad than Requiem was, in terms of divisiveness. It's still feels bad, though.



    Yes. Nevertheless, how it alienated a big portion of the VtM fanbase was always a shadow over Requiem. It only let that behind after V20 came out and VtR 2e went more of its own way. That shadow was one of the reasons it never got to be as big as Masquerade, though. Not the only, arguably not the biggest, but one of the main reasons. IMO, VtR might be a successful and healthy rpg on its own, but it...
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  • Don't have time for all of the WW-history talk now, but:



    Yes, I'm seeing this, don't know, phenomenon(?) for a time. I've seen traces of it in NWoD and especially in the CofD 2e-s and it's absolutely present in things like Urban Shadows. I even agree that those dissatisified WW fans had a big role in the conception of the indie-narrative revolution, wanting to make games like WW promised in their eyes, but never delivered. I get that. I even think that the V5 writer and desinger team is largely made up of fans like that.

    Trouble is, for me, that I'm not...
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  • PMárk
    replied to The Shadowrun Thread
    Well, after seeing the info out there (I didn't have time and enrgy lately, to follow it), I'm considerably less positive.

    - STR is not a factor in melee damage, only in unarmed? I called bs on that in V5 too.
    - Armor not soaking, only adding 1 edge, maybe?
    - Essence loss is not being becoming less human, as you're sacrificing more and more of yourself to being a machine? Well, I guess, it's fine to kill one of the main themes of cyberpunk then.

    Well, if they botch this, and Paizo botches PF2, I'll be able to sincerely say there's no freaking new edition of...
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  • I started with Revised, so I don't know about the trenches of the Edition Wars Back Then in ye olden days. Surely, the expansion of the internet made things more intense.

    Still. Yes, a lot of people absolutely hate Revised's metaplot and a big portion of the Mage community outright rejects Revised Mage, but for the most part, the impression I've got in retrospect is that the majority switched over. At least, the system was the same, unlike with V5. Also, the last poll on the largest VtM fb group showed that the favorite edition of most people participating is V20, with 4-5 times the...
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  • Yeah, I'm not that old, but I've seen the same with D&D 4e, 5e lately, also with NWoD and other rpgs as well (like, I actively ignored the Paizo boards after the playtest, 'cause I didn1t want to go mad ). I don't want to suggest the "complaining about the new stuff side" is innocent, or anything, as I said, there are perfectly cool and abhorrent individuals on either side. Regardless, I stand by my oppinion that the "complainer" side tends to criticize the new stuff and speak about why they don't like it, while the "pro-new-stuff side" frequently reacts with...
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