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  • Have been writing the same time.

    Interesting, thanks! For the record, I agree that because of the spiritual side of the thing and Pegasus' own transformation (that's a big point), I don't have any trouble Her accepting transwomen in the tribe. However, I think, individual members could have problems with it, just like Heavy Arms' examples about Wendigo and Falcon and that's okay to me, as a story and setting element.

    On the other hand, I still think that accepting males is entirely different and not in line with the concept of the tribe and I agree it takes away from...
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  • The Children and the Gnawers doing it in general. Furies and Uktena are doing it in particular. They're focused on specific groups and that's okay to me., because groups could and are do work that way IRL.



    Ah, I see. Well, I think there's a room for a very picky totem, just as there's a room for a lupus-only totem, but it indeed takes away some possibilities for interesting conflicts within the tribe. However, it makes room for interesting conflicts between members of the tribe and their totem and bears the question: what if enough young members think otherwise? Would...
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  • You mean the Children of Gaia and Bone Gnawers? Nothing at all.



    It's tricky. I'm on the side that, since werewolves grew up in human society, the younger ones would be more accepting, due to the new cultural trends. But that's not how it was before and in historical times, so I think that would an interesting tension between young and older members and progressive and traditionalist members (and you'd always have a fair ammounts of the latter ones).



    Why shouldn't? It's a plausible worldview, both historically and mystically to rally around...
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  • PMárk
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    This. Spheres are in-character concepts and being there for a several hundred years. The different Traditions might explain them and their nature/origin differently, but Time is Time for everyone. It's a bit like English and languages in general. Most of the languages have similar concepts and you could translate, but nowadays the majority of people understand English to some extent, because you need a common ground to be able to communicate and trade. In earlier times it was French and even back, Latin. The Spheres might be a Hermetic invention, but it's simple, it's fairly universal and the...
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  • Absolutely. I'm especially interested in it due to the geographical (to Budapest, Vienna is literally the closest neighbor) and historical reasons between Austria and Hungary, so it would be a great source to me.
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  • I'd go further and say, if you approach the book with the firm notion that the people of the 19th century (and/or British people were that especially) were racist and xenophobe, you'll find those concepts in nearly every book written in that time period, because you're trying to apply modern sensibilities backward.

    I'm not saying those people weren't racist and xenophobe in comparison to progressive liberal concepts of nowadays, because they were. I just say, a given work is not a work about racism, just because the cultural environment is so in comparison to nowadays. Stoker for...
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  • It especially gets problematic, when the accusation was based on something that's not even in the book, like in this case....
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  • Although, that's not incompatibility in my eyes. Werewolves have a distinct view on things because of their connection to Gaia and the spirit world and mages are humans, so they tend to be human-centric but nothing says to me that the two could not exist in the same world. It's more of a difference between cultures and religions, IMO.

    That humans could alter reality (although not entirely defining it) doesn't equal with "Gaia isn't important". Some mages might think so, others the opposite, still others just don't care....
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  • You're definitely a Werewolf purist, so we won't agree on that, but I still don't think so. You just don't go with the "consensus is everything" model (that's why I stated they become incompatibel when taking to the extreme). What in Mage's cosmology excludes Gaia or the triat?...
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  • Ok, I re-read the end of the book itself, because I wasn't sure that the hunters actually killed any gypsies in the book ( I remembered that there was a firefight in the Coppola-movie) and rightly so, because no, they didn't. The gypsies sported knives and pistols and aggressively defended D, they didn't shown any inclination to run away "from the rich men with guns". The hunters called for surrender repeatedly but didn't shoot anyone. Van Helsing didn't shoot anyone. There was no slaughter of innocent gypsies by the Triumphant White Men. When the hunters pushed through the gypsies...
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  • Ok, I read Dracula many times. I'm from Eastern Europe. Sorry, I can't agree with that. It's absolutely not in the focus of the book. Dracula had servants, who happened to be gypsies and the hunters killed a few to get to him, because they defended Dracula. Wouldn't it been as bad if those servants haven't been gypsies, but Romanians or Hungarians? That's double standards.

    Yes the connection between gypsies and the evil vampire could be seen as playing into the "racist stereotypes" surrounding gypsies, but, especially at that time that was a cultural element of our region...
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  • As I said on the other crossover thread, some people are just hell-bent on picking one gameline's mythology as "truth". I never got that, for me they're compatible and became incompatible just in the case of taking them to the extreme. Vampire's God can be many things that could fit into the other line's worldview. The consensus could work with the other lines if approaching it with the earthly foundations and mythic threads in mind.

    Same with the organizations.

    Honestly, having as many crossover elements as we have, crossover is canon to me, period. Constantly...
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