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  • Oh, I thought you meant the "(Healer)" tag to mean the branch of Obeah(or Valeren if using dark ages update "branches"). Presence doesn't have a branch discipline for healers after all so I thought it was a mistaken placement....
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  • I have to ask, How is it boring? People wanting to be a good person for the sake of doing the right thing isn't complex, but it's also genuinely the hardest thing a person Can do in places like the WOD.

    I find it strange how people can't suggest the idea of just Having good guys in grimdark settings without there being anyone Super against it for some reason. The tau in 40k, the salubri/mummies/etc in WOD, Hooding in shadowrun, There's always some level of negative backlash when any sort of "good" faction or option is added to a traditionally dark setting.

    Personally,...
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  • An easy way to justify having the time periods be inconsistent is to say that mummies are given a mission directly by Osiris and the Judges of Ma'at when their spirit is sent out of the underworld to resurrect. Horus an CO. could essentially have a timetable of events that Need to happen to ensure their effects butterfly-effect outwards to achieve a perfect future.

    A metaphor for this could be the Arc of Ra. If Ra's boat leaves the river of time, it'll wander into the jaws of Apophis and the the world will be cast in darkness. To prevent this Osiris, Horus and the mummies have essentially...
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  • I can agree to extent(except on the Baali and Settites. Their MO tends to be abusing Blood bonds, drugs, presence and dominate make easy-bake instant cults, fucking cheaters).

    I would say that on minimum a player putting that much work should get a faith 3 thrall. That is a Lot of effort and going long periods of time without faith to only get a basic cynic. Maybe have this be the requirements for binding a mortal with more than 1 point in faith.



    Huh, that's actually a cool idea. It also fits the sabbat's MO of hunting infernalists(At least until you start...
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  • You aren't? You're facing the consequences of it. The garou nation wouldn't magically fix itself like some disney movie if they killed this one bane.

    I also don't think a demon that embodies the karmic backlash of an entire nation's sin's would be done justice as what is essentially a normal enemy with a lot of health levels.



    I don't feel this addresses what I was talking about though? Having a major bane manifest in reality should be a big deal a lot of fanfare, it should be something like a natural disaster. Having the war leader of Ba'ashkai's third legion...
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  • The one thing Mummies have that are fully unique to them is the idea that they are 100% fully immortal, not the kind of Diet "immortality with exceptions" other supernaturals have.

    One way to highlight this is have the "death" mechanic in the game be different. For example: use the Shemsu-heru/Amenti system adambeyoncelowe proposes with the caveat that When(not if) the Shemsu-heru "dies" and the group ends their time in this era, they don't roll new character's and instead continue playing the same character X years into the future.

    This...
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  • Maybe? If so, I disagree with the philosophy entirely. Most of the "Well fed" banes a werewolf will come across will have like 20 essence above their normal max at most(meaning the "strongest" banes in most scenarios will have an essence of 50). On average, most garou are going to have more than 50 dots of stats on their character sheet.

    The million essence bane is Supposed to be different though. It represents the epic and complete failure of the garou nation, it's only reason for existing being that the garou Chose not to do anything about it. Thematically, facing...
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  • I honestly prefer this system more. It better highlights as to why letting banes feed and accumulate power/essence is a literal disaster waiting to happen. It also had a quirk of making over-fed spirits More powerful after they manifested in the real world.

    Theres a canonical bane somewhere that was feeding on a nuclear waste dump for years and had millions of essence. Under the modern system, it running out of food and manifesting in reality would just mean the local garou dealing with an annoying damage spounge. Under 2e rules, this thing was a mini-apocalypse in it's own right...
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  • I think this might be miscommunication.


    I believe adambeyoncelowe is saying that an emotion severance bhuddist and a orthedox? Bhuddist would be on different path of the same road. Like how path of heaven and path of humanity are both paths on the larger Road of humanity....
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  • I'm going to be honest, I like the idea of "The devil has a point". Having everything be cut-and-dry with the good guy being completely right and the villain being delusional just sounds Boring.

    I like the idea that the opposite counter philosophy has just as much of a point as the popular version, as otherwise it's essentially morality boils down to the lowest hanging fruit we have. "Everyone go home! The big questions were answered a long time ago by people better than you." and questioning them doesn't just make you a bad person, it makes you delusional and...
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  • Corax actually make for Horrifyingly effective spies and assassins.

    90% of their gifts are for information gathering rather than combat, meaning any corax worth talking about is going to know who your PCs are, where your PCs are at any given time, how they got there, what equipment they have, what gifts they use most often, their favorite color, who they're related to, their best friend in high school, their mother's maiden name, where they left finger prints, their social security number... Meaning if a Corax what's to mess with you, they can social-engineering their way into your...
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  • I get it as well, I have chronic depression and went through a similar(if less extreme) phase as a teen, but that's also my point. For most IRL people, that's a Phase that they grow out of in a couple years at most.

    Even during the events in history right before violent revolution, when Nihilism is like the common cold because the country has gotten That bad, the Vast majority of people are of the mindsets of "Things are getting Dicy, I need to make sure I/My family have the resources to survive at all costs", "Things are getting Dicy, I should enjoy life while I still...
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Sorcerer using Artifacts?
    There's a confusion in terminology here.

    Mage uses the term "Wonder" as the term for "magic item" with an "Artifact" being a specific type of magic item with only One effect that requires an Arete roll by the user(Most of the time, Mage is nothing if not inconsistent).

    Sorcerer, despite modern versions being Mage sourcebooks, uses the term "Artifact" to describe "any magic item not made by a sorcerer" and calls "any magic item made by a sorcerer" a "Talisman", which has a Very specific definition in...
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  • People who refuse vaccines aren't looking to die or cause death, quite the opposite in most cases. The issue is that they've somehow come to the conclusion that vaccines are the problem rather than the thing keeping them alive. As they say "you can't use logic to get people out of a mindset that they didn't use Logic to get into".

    ...Unless you mean Raveners specifically targeting vaccine deniers and feeding their hysteria to spread plagues? That sounds like something Ravener Scourges would be 100% on board with(not that it makes much sense. Creating hell on earth just makes...
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  • I always head-cannoned that the ventrue antedeluvian had just abandoned the jyhad early on and wants nothing to do with their clan as a whole. Whenever I run a gehenna scenario I just have them as an easter egg at a coffee shop somewhere during the chronicle, if the PCs interact with them they get a dominate augmented middle finger and wake up from a daze 2 minutes later standing in the same spot with no onw around.

    This has slowly snowballed into a theory about ante's "Dying" essentially being code for them retiring from the Jyhad, except Cappadocius. Cappadocius just messed...
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  • Oddly enough, the Tremere have a ritual that would potentially make this permanent:



    Funnily enough, Kulduinic sorcery does Not have an equivalent ritual, meaning a Tsimisce looking to make a Viss Modification permanent would have to swallow their pride and ask a Tremere for help. Given Tzimisce culture and history, most Tsimisce would probably sooner swallow molten lead than imply a Usurper outdid them in blood magic....
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Barrel of black powder
    Funny tangent. The "Virgin" requirement of sacrifices is a misunderstanding of hermetic texts which required a sacrifice not be used in another ritual(demons don't actually care about your sex-life), but because victorian era english were a Very repressed people, the Other definition is the one they latched onto and popularized.

    Infernalists have been making their own lives harder for Years because of a misunderstanding....
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  • That's not universally true. Jainism and Hindi are split into various sects with very different beliefs. Saying they all believe the same thing because they have similar roots is like saying all the pentateuch are all slightly different versions of the same religion because they all have roots in the same five books.

    An example is the hindi denominations of Tantra that believe in reaching enlightenment through mastering the 7 chakras(or 9 chakra, or 13 chakras, or etc depending on sect). Opening the chakra doesn't mean following a moral guideline, its a philosophy built around overcoming...
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  • This is a bit tangential, but was the timeline ever resolved for that?

    For Saulot to have studied under the Early Wan Kuei would mean that the Wan Xian would have had to have Already fallen, meaning their first three ages had passed by the time of the second city and the second city was supposed to be more ancient the Egypt. The KotE concept of ages also comes baked in with the idea that each age is shorter than the last until the sixth age, and considering the second city-to-modern day timeline was just the 4th and fifth ages, means the first three should have been Uber long....
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  • I can see this, but there's also a point that a hindu guru once said "You do not need to be a good person to gain Enlightenment and Enlightenment does not make you a good person." That is even expressed in indian mythology with the concept of the god's in Hindu, Bhuddist, and Jainist mythology not being split by good/evil like how Abrahamic ideals understand.

    What we define as "Evil" would be perfectly acceptable in another culture, and what we define as "good" can be completely despicable. Take stealing for an example, it's defined as bad under the path...
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