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  • Prometheas
    replied to So: What's Next?
    I'd love too see a Demon 20th and still have a small naive hope that they could use the opportunity to carry over some of Devil's Due mechanics, similar to what Changeling 20 did with Dark Ages: Fae.

    A Torment based system for building apocalyptic forms seemed really interesting, and the taint/pact system fleshed out how much the fallen Depended on mortals for power. My only gripe was how arcana basically undercut the disparity between earthbound and fallen by making them equally powerful at high torment. The lore system could really use some polish to scrub away overpowered/useless...
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  • Yeah, it gets harder for the mystic mages to stand their ground when they're busy infighting over their own knowledge, while technomancers working together to create large effects is the norm not the exception.

    While old mages hold their cards close to their chest from each-other and their students, technocratic masters are working with each other and their students to not only provide manpower and knowledge where one alone would be lacking(Even ancient Masters typically only master 6 of the 9 spheres or end up sacrificing mastery for flexibility, All mages are aware a cabal of specialist...
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  • I wonder if you can use that trapped paradox as a homing missile vs vulgar magical paradigms, changing/adding to it's resonance with Prime 5 + (other sphere describing set of conditions) to change it's target from the technomancer.



    And it also doesn't take away from the fact that a mage can keep his versatility while using a wonder. Heck(with mind 5) you can make an AI to use your devices and cantrips for you as you take other actions, like say dispelling other mages sphere effects so they can't defend themselves.

    I personally like to use the technocracy...
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  • The technocracy won the ascension war for a reason, yes? That's kind of the point, the technomancers have more resources, better equipment, easier access to enlightened personnel, and networks spanning space-time into other dimensions.

    This is why in 2nd edition(pre avatar storm) you could be fighting the technocrats for control of a 1000 year old cruiser on the edge of the milky way and why the traditions are largely restricted to guerrilla warfare. Its why you can have massive Son of Ether Aetherships roaming through the umbra doing 70 levels of aggravated damage to everything in...
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Spectres in the big picture
    I thought that only applied to Celestials and incarnae? High order spirits existing as both the thing in question and the very concept of said thing existing at all. Even then, Destroying the physical form would destroy the spirit(I don't think Luna would survive the moon being destroyed, As I believe happened in the ragnarok Time of Judgement suppliment). With the lesser spirits able to move from object to object because they're just aspects of said physical thing, meaning you'd have to destroy every example of said object in the physical world as well as the concept of them existing in order...
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Spectres in the big picture
    I guess this line of thinking leads to a sort of "chicken and the egg" thing. I still vote the egg, because I like the idea that Triat/Gaia changed in response to the physical world changing. Though I guess that's an unpopular opinion.



    Point taken about not having the full picture of gaia. I do reference the fact that the "Gaia is Dying" sentiment is do to the influence of human technology(and thus the weaver) re-shaping the natural world and replacing it with artificial constructs.



    I believe we have a miscommunication....
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Spectres in the big picture
    Eh, I never really understood how the wyrm was "unbalanced" in the greater scale of things. It was destroying human society, but in the current WOD timeline human society was already choked with stagnation and political corrruption. It was Trying to destroy the Fera, but they already crippled themselves war of rage. It was trying to kill Gaia, who was honestly already Losing to the weaver at this point.

    Unless you subscribe to the train of thought that the wyrm is responsible for said events happening in the first place(which I don't, It cheapens the story if you make the...
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Better rules for Sorcerers
    Have the ghoul/alchemist choose a clan and buy their disciplines up to 3 dots at kindred out of clan. Blood magic as an exception, being kindred out of clan up to 5 dots. Mostly as it's ruled in various books that thuam, necromancy, and koldun are different from normal disciplines. IE: beast can't use blood magic in frenzy as of v20 core and DAV tome of secrets allows mortals to learn blood magic using health levels or blood sacrifices for vitae costs. So, if by VTM, mortals can use them anyway; why not?

    Notably the same exception exists in Dhampyrs/wan kuei(who I'd apply the same...
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    Last edited by Prometheas; 08-01-2018, 08:39 PM.

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  • Prometheas
    replied to Better rules for Sorcerers
    I was kinda hoping that my players don't try to play hybrids, but since it's still a possibility I guess I'd run it with some house rules.

    1. Only one "Heritage" per character(likely as a merit)

    2. Mana acting as that characters "Magic pool" for some powers(Glamour for kinnians, Gnosis for kinfolk), Unless inappropriate(revenants, and dhampires/dhampyrs would use their own life force like shih, with no mana substitution. It's Suppose to be a curse after all.)

    3. Some Hedge magics can "Raise the bar" for some powers, Alchemy 5...
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Better rules for Sorcerers
    Generic I guess? I'm trying to set up a "One world of darkness" setting, but I'm just starting off by throwing out any attempt to marry the cosmologies. Basically, No splat has the whole picture, Every faction of every splat has their own idea of "what Really happened", and tagging along with any splat you'll be able experience their side of things(which will be rather confusing for beings like mages that Think They've managed to map the penumbra only to follow a werewolf for 5 minutes and discover half a dozen places he's never seen before that they apparently frequent often.)...
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  • Prometheas
    started a topic Better rules for Sorcerers

    Better rules for Sorcerers

    Okay, I'm trying to re-balance sorcerers for a crossover campaign, and would like help/reviews/criticism for the changes so far.(Yes, I know "Balance" and "Cross-Over" normally eat at different lunch tables, but they both have a lot of friends that want it to work out and help them to reconcile their differences.)

    So far I have:

    1.Throwing out the round per dot casting

    2. Lowering the XP cost to dot level x5(most sorcerer paths are in general 1 dot weaker than most supernatural powers of the same level, so making them the same as mage...
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    Last edited by Prometheas; 07-30-2018, 05:50 PM.

  • Ah, That mostly relies on my assuming that during said apocalypse, the gauntlet was rendered temporarily impassible by the sixth great maelstrom. So during said war, Both sides fought almost entirely with spirits and the minions they'd called back to their realms, thus the real world only felt the indirect effects of the spiritual deaths(lakes, ponds and trees sometimes just dying randomly, businesses going bankrupt after a seemingly impossible run of bad luck, and some gifts just straight up not working one day).

    The garou during this time all break off to protect their major caerns...
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Spectres in the big picture
    I base my interpretation on the perspective presented in Dark Reflections - Spectres. Granted, I don't interpret the spectres as "Good Guys"(they're individually Evil with a Capital E) but think of them a lot like the Wyrm in Werewolf, IE a massive force of balance that's job is to destroy things that have become non-functional to the current system(which it might still be, only having decided gaia herself is hamstrung and dysfunctional, or might actually be crazy as the popular interpretation paints it. The difference is only semantic though.)...
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  • Ironically enough, the great depression could also have been an event that was bound to happen do to human error and the fact people at the time didn't understand or respect how delicate economic balance is. Looking at the history of the actual event, a lot more factors went into it than can be pushed on to one group or the other, even if in WOD both the Anarchs and syndicate contributed significantly.

    I'm pretty sure both groups in a One WOD setting can be convinced they or some other nebulous are solely to blame, but reality is more complex then that. It's entirely possible that...
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  • Prometheas
    started a topic Story Idea: A world un-caring

    Story Idea: A world un-caring

    Since it's 2018 and the world has distinctly Not ended yet, I was juggling ideas for how to handle(or ignore) time of judgement.

    A rather sadistic idea has crossed my mind to have the apocolypse, the mythic final stand between the forces of gaia, the triat, and the collective entirety of creation, to have come and gone, but have the fera(or bete, or etc.) not play any part in it. I was thinking of having the entire thing build up to an all out war where the fera hunker down in their greatest caerns waiting for the challenge, only to have it unclimactically resolve itself as the weaver...
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  • It would really depend on how powerful the camerilla and it's elders are, politically speaking, in your setting I guess. I'd also point out that said RICO crackdown would only happen After the Cam was labeled a Crime organization, and while their many crimes would be obvious to us the players, the fact they exist is going to be a difficult pill to swallow after "Vampires Exist" in this scenario.

    Secondly, I believe the Camerilla would already be acting to push the entire "Charity/Private Foundation" before the public is even aware any crimes commited were by anything...
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  • Depends on how the transition goes. The camerilla already owns a number of businesses and political leaders from their liberal usage of presence, dominate, and blood-bonds(ventrue are supposed to start with high backgrounds for a reason). I imagine that they'd lobby for legislation to allow them to enforce their traditions. One of the main points they'd be able to argue being that the traditions are what keep neonates from embracing/draining people on mass, ensuring they can coexist with humans "peacefully".

    I imagine they'd have to define many vampiric practices by marrying...
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