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  • Prometheas
    started a topic Devils Moral Compass

    Devils Moral Compass

    The Demons in devils due accrue torment for becoming less moral and/or rejecting the design capital G gave them. Demons can't be immoral and follow "God's design" in universe, but what about the other way around?

    If a demon outright rejects god(not as in not believing in him/her/it, but as in disagreeing with god) and adopts another spirituality or "pagan" religion do they still accrue torment as usual(for "God's Displeasure"/rejecting their predetermined purpose) or do they loose torment for having a morality/code of conduct?
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  • Okay, since this appears to be devolving into a Splat vs Splat thread(Again...). Does anyone remember the title for that one thread that computer simulated the chances of each splat winning in a death match?

    I'd also like to point out that in any given first meeting with splats where no one has time to prepare, this werewolf is Most Likely to win.(it's not given under any means as luck, stat distribution, and strategy all can play a part).

    This however does set a dangerous president for the roided out rovers. If they do end up in a messy encounter with a respected vampire...
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  • Just giving examples. The dark ages merit isn't necessary for the -2 to difficulty on willpower roles, it just makes you get it earlier(with a possible -3 at path of blood 9). Bardo was just one of the first things that came to mind when thinking of overpower disciplines. There are others out there ranging from effecting willpower roles, automatic successes, or modify a role of choice, but I can't think off the top of my head which ones.

    Point being any thaumaturge powerful enough to have From Marduk's Throat also has their pick of ways to make the role easier....
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  • Maybe, but a I think the tremere would rather use it a a mean to gain power in the pyramid and undercut rival houses in the clan. I always saw the tremere as "close" in the same way longtime business partners are close, completely willing to aid each other out of mutual dependence, but also completely willing to screw each other in any way that benifits the individual without threatening their cooperation.

    Nosferatu are almost universally treated as trash by other clans, so save the odd individual or group tend to only find companionship and respect in clan. As to which...
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  • It seems far more likely when they're being hunted by methuselas(the niktuku). There are selfish vampires yes, but they aren't stupid. I doubt they'd make the entire clan into methusela level vamps(whichever nossies discovers the ritual will still want to hoard power), but having an entire clan of elder gen vampires under your thumb is a Massive advantage(an army of 5th to 7th gen vampires would be horrifying).

    I think the things limiting this from happening is A.) the assamites fanatic grip on said ritual do to itspower and religious significance for them and B.) any other vampire...
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  • I smart cainite wouldn't really need to though, they'd just need to take the steps necessary to lower the difficulty(path of blood makes all willpower rolls -1 to -2 depending on rating and if thy have the powerful aura merit from v20 dark ages, doing blood magic in the presence of a bardo pillar lowers the difficulty by 2, etc.). A well prepared vampire could lower the difficulty to 5-6 and breeze through.

    If getting the necessary blood also becomes too easy then theirs no reason that the assamites or any other clan that gets their hands on the ritual shouldn't all be low generation....
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  • Prometheas
    started a topic Wording in Marduk's Throat.

    Wording in Marduk's Throat.

    In Lore of the clans: assamite, the newer version of Marduk's Throat mentions that you need an amount of BP from lower gen kindred is equal to 4x the blood Point Value of the generation you want. Then it goes on to outline that going from 8th to 7th gen requires 28 BPs, which is considering that's not coming from 7th gen's blood pool of 20 time 4, I'm led to assume that it means generation.

    Am I missing something here? It seems incredibly wrong to me to need Less blood to lower your generation rather than more. I thought that was the thing preventing everyone in clan assamite from...
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  • It's said a mage with the right spheres could shield a vamp from the sun, Maybe a mage with mind or life could keep said vamp awake?

    Also a campaign in the north during the Long Night, Sounds like an interesting idea....
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  • Mechanics could be tweaked, but they're functional(mostly). The real problem is like how saur ops explained, how to handle theme. Vampire's gothic horror will just as strange and out of place set next to werewolf's pulse-pounting action, mages subjectivism/trans-humanism, or changelings chaotic wimsy(It goes pretty well with Wraith's nihilistic themes though). You either have to come up with a theme that can accommodate all of that(lovecraftian style oppressive alien horror comes to might), or leave some themes by the wayside to tell your story.

    Not to mention the conflicts in the...
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  • It also depends on the sorcerer interpretation your using. If you're using revised sorcerer where they're just semi-awakened mortals(and only that book) then yes. If you also add other splat interpretations(like demon hunter x, hunters hunted, etc.) sorcerer revised becomes just mages narrow view of what sorcerers are(or at least I think so, WOD books are always written from the perspective of an in universe character after all.).

    I personally like to think they're more than mage ghoul/kinfolk equivalents(they have different powers and mechanics after all), and as such run it like...
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  • I'm pretty sure that a demons torment world function against the mummy the same way corruption from a bane mummy would, so at an earthbound's default torment/corruption 10(or more depending on how you interpret their additional urge ratings) you basically accomplish zip without a balance in the 9-10's yourself(and then I'm wondering why the right hand of ma'at is running around trying to purify a particular earthbound)...
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  • Prometheas
    replied to Naming question
    I'd personally think a range limit of "On Earth" is perfectly sensible, Though turning off the sun for a portion of the world like during an eclipse or other meteorological event seems pretty thematic for fae(the sun darkening over a city thanks to the rage of a duke over a broken oath, could still be explained away as smog or something by the populace afterward)....
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  • Prometheas
    started a topic Naming question

    Naming question

    In naming's description it mentions that naming can't be used to change a living things form, but in the following table it lists "turning a werewolf into a puppy/changing attribute on a character sheet". How are puppifying a werewolf or changing a person's appearance score not considered "altering a living things form"?

    (Also does anyone else think it's ironic how the changelings have an art that's exactly like the lost art of ren-hekau that mummies have been searching for centuries to find, or that they literally have the ability to look at a fallen for 5 minutes...
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  • Or he could be the islamic interpretation of jesus and been a man of such faith that god himself decided to speak to him.

    With the way the existence of Antes and the supernatural world itself is a mystery, it's impossible to know what would happen if set/satan meeting jesus played out(if set was satan in said event, or was the DTF lucifer, or the wyrm, or one of the children. WOD has A Lot of "The Devil(s)", just pick one)...
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