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  • Is the "esoteric space-time geometries" a real world example or just a WoD example? If RL I'm pretty sure it's been disproven with the widespread acceptance of "C"(the speed of light) and it's limitations on matter in quantum physics. If not, it kinda brings to light a point about the WoD being a little dated. It's themes in general still work fine(I'm pretty sure friction against authorities in power has only Grown since the "punk" movement of the 90's), but some of it's references and more glaringly it's "Si-Fi" kinda chafe a bit when shown next to current...
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  • It does however undermine their argument that they don't do magic if their "enlightened science" is functionally the same and is impossible for mundanes to eventually use(even with the unique focus>specialized focus>wonder>mundane cycle involved) due to the fact it contradicts established theories.

    Technocrats have to follow established science to a point, otherwise they just become hypocritical mages rather than scientists studying the supernatural(a very fine line, but an important distinction).



    I'd think that would be a focus of all...
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    replied to How Would You Do D:TF?
    Maybe they just stole worshipers from existing religions by flaunting their "Miracles". I imagine a demon who use to be an angle of thunder could pull off a decent enough "Zues" or "Thor" impression that a layman wouldn't know the difference(or just smite anyone pointing out the truth with thunderbolts)
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  • That may be a running theme, but I've never seen it explicitly stated anywhere. So I willfully choose to ignore that bit of rather unflattering context. Not much of an argument maybe, but I'll stick with it.

    Besides, I think making the masses ignorant sheeple seems kinda runs counter to one of WoD themes of not making the PCs much more special than the average joe(Beyond being forced to confront the supernatural one day). It makes it unlike most RPGs where the PCs are treated like Messiah figures destined to save the world/destroy it in setting....
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  • I honestly think the applications of entropy would be similar between technocrats, as too me Using entropy in terms of possible outcome calculation and analysis(via a set of complex equations, Like the kind snipers in real life use to predict a target's location in order to hit them from hundreds of feet farther then where line of sight ends.) is the only way I could think for them to use it "scientifically"(rather than hae them use magic with a techno-babble excuse)



    I'm honestly not sure if that would count as a ritual, new rote or the process of them learning...
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  • It has the same inherent problems of Dark ages saying the world would change shape with the belief of humans(ignoring that humans knew the earth was round long before Columbus and his spiel was that he thought the earth was smaller than it really was. Which the governing powers at that time knew as well, they gave him the boat to shut him up.)

    If the setting is actually malleable to such an extent it makes the modern WoD incredibly unlikely. To the extent of "breaking suspension of disbelief the way a Mary Sue would" unlikely. To mold such a chaotic environment into the...
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  • I've read a few discussions on the board talking about this, and I think some of the ones people really seemed to like were somewhere along the lines of:

    -Entropy being dealt with as measuring and altering probable outcomes rather than becoming "more lucky". IE less "I wave my fingers and X happens" to "I take a look at the chunk of data my micro-AI presents me and decide the outcome I want. I then kick a nearby power-box at just the right angle that it snaps some rusted wires and shuts down the traffic lights right before they switched. My targets car is...
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