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  • Haven’t read the whole thread, but I wanted to chime in on this. The wolpertinger in C20 are a young kith. They’ve only been Kithain for roughly 50 years.

    1000 years ago would be before the Shattering, when new fae races being born was a bit more common. There’s plenty of room in the game for a youngish kith. Don’t let that stop you....
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  • Really like the idea! My preference would be for at least one of the Birthrights to be unique to the kith instead of a same as XX sort of thing.

    I do like that you kept the Frailty thematic without making the changeling unplayable after too short a time. Even a couple of the published kith fell into that trap back in the day.
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  • City books just don’t sell well, and Changeling didn’t sell as well as most of the other World of Darkness games back in the day. The combination of the two probably doomed that project.
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  • San Francisco was the original default city for Changeling. It’s changed so much since ‘95 though. I wrote a small reference to the Toybox in Book of Freeholds, but I think it would be fun to have deep dive look at what those changes mean for the changelings in the city. It’s too bad city books aren’t really a thing anymore.
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  • Nothing outside of the errata thread gets considered. If you’re pinning your hopes on this thread, you’re guaranteed to be disappointed.



    I didn’t write the section you’re complaining about. Not once in this thread have I addressed the section you’re complaining about because *I didn’t write it*. My sole point here is that changelings are supernatural creatures, not mortals. Mocking me about it is uncalled for....
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  • I can't speak about things I didn't write. I can only address the assumptions of the fictional setting — which takes inspiration form, but is not beholden to, real world myths.

    Edit to add: My beef isn't that loomer objects to something in the book. It's the statement that changelings are mortal. They're not. In Changeling: The Dreaming, they're all that's left of the fae, the spirits, or the gods. The domain of the gods *is* the domain of changelings, even if they can't remember how it works anymore.
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  • I think changelings would argue mortal law doesn’t apply to them when they’re dealing with fae business. They have mortal lives in addition to their immortal ones, hence the need to hide themselves from prying mortal eyes so their mortal lives aren’t impacted, but that doesn’t make their status as fae and their tasks for the Dreaming any less valid or necessary.
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  • In Changeling: The Dreaming, yeah, it’s absolutely true. It’s all right there in C20’s first chapter. The fae are the keepers of the Dreaming, but they got so wrapped up in their own petty conflicts, they broke the world. Now they’re the only ones with any hope of fixing it, but they’ve lost so much knowledge and power it’s almost impossible.

    That’s not true in, say, Werewolf: The Apocalypse where the world is falling apart because werewolves murdered everything that could save the world or in Vampire: The Masquerade where the world is falling apart because vampires...
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  • I just want to comment on this one statement, changelings are half mortal, but they’re also half fae. They’re what’s become of the old gods. Their powers have weakened. They don’t remember most of what they need to know. But they’re still the the ones responsible for maintaining the Dreaming and the caretakers of the spiritual and humanity. Places of power for the gods are the places of changelings because changelings *are* the gods, or what’s left of them.

    Changelings do have to worry about the concerns of their mortal half, but the concerns of their immortal half are...
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  • Cool, I forgot one. There are probably others I forgot too. The book was written almost two years ago.
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  • With that house rule, the difference between a pooka and a tanuki would be more like the difference between a pooka and a selkie. I personally don’t like fae having fundamentally different rules just because they’re from a different part of the world. Innanime are the only non-Fomorian Gallain I like having different rules for how they function since they’re born from the dreams of stone, air, fire, water, plants, and certain inanimate objects instead of the dreams of humanity. But again, that’s me personally in my home games. It has nothing to do with what’s in the books....
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  • The Hsien were set up in Land of Eight Million Dreams. These are anniversary books, so they are what they are.

    In my home games, I treat them more like any other kith. It doesn’t take much effort to do that, so I’d recommend it for folks who, like me, aren’t comfortable with how much Land of Eight Million Dreams others the Asian fae.
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  • My favorite is Shamrocks Beer Cellar. I spent a lot of time role playing there back in the day and have so many fond memories of it. I was so happy to have a chance to revisit it.

    The American Indian Center really stretches the definition of freehold, but it shows off a sanctuary from Banality and how the Nunnehi can survive and even thrive in the face of overwhelming adversity.

    Underbridge and the Court of All Kings were a few old favorites to revisit.

    I’m blanking on the name of these, but Steffie’s example freehold she introduced in the opening fiction...
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  • It’s much more focused on what freeholds are, their relationship to changeling society, and how to use them in chronicles for players and STs than going in depth into any given freehold. It’s pretty much the opposite of the Freeholds and Hidden Glens Book.

    That said, there’s about a freehold or two per page to illustrate various things the book talks about plus a chapter of sample freeholds. They can mostly be dropped in or adapted for use just about anywhere.
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  • There’s usually a month or two between when a book goes out to backers and when it’s released generally. But yeah, when it’s ready is the true time.
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  • Anyone who got a physical copy of C20 in the Kickstarter should get a digital copy of Freeholds.
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  • Now that Book of Freeholds is out, the OP should have plenty of examples of freeholds that aren’t feudal estates!
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  • Bo’s not the siren 😉
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  • I assumed major kiths. That said, yes, alll the minor kiths could work too. River Hags and Oba would only work in certain types of chronicles due to their location restrictions, but they would absolutely make for interesting PI partners.

    (Heck, for an example of a morganned PI partner, see Lost Girl)
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  • Honestly, I can’t think of one that *wouldn’t*. It all depends on what you’re wanting out of their interactions and what you want to do with the chronicle.
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