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  • Oh, that would be amazing. Modern 'Bygones' (Which are not quite bygone, now are they?) being the urban legends and spoopy modern legends....
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to How to create a chantry?
    A day's work? a day's work would be a horrible guideline :P

    I wrote *a month*, which is loooots of hours invested, really. And it's not just 'every friday', but actively working on it for that month, until that first dot is achieved.
    You are right of course - It can't be a place that is frequented by others regularly - but that's a matter of finding the right spot, not a matter of timespan involved once that spot is found and claimed....
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  • Let's see...if I'm not mistaken..

    Kin, Sorcerors, Psychics, Ghouls, Acolytes, Bygones, Fomori, Dhampirs, Spirits, Arcanists, Seafolk, Mafiosis, the dreaded 'Gypsies', Government agents (Project Twilight), Demon Hunters, Enchanted (Changeling companions), Damned (Demon companions).

    If one wants, they COULD include Inanimae (Changeling), Hsien (changeling, Land of Eight Million Dreams) and Earthbound (Demon) to the list..although the last one in particular is not Player Material, and the first two are pretty much just derivatives of Kithain.
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to How to create a chantry?
    In my headspace, pretty much the first order of the day when a Mage settles down in a new area, *is* to create a Sanctum. A tiny one.

    This isn't instant of course - I'd wager taking a month of very regular rituals / consecration / desecration / sterilization / whathaveyou for that first Sanctum dot - but it is *such* an *essential* tool for actually even remotely practicing basic functions of some sphere levels, as well as such a paradigm-specific barely sharable thing, that I don't see the first dot needing to take longer than that.

    The time and requirements to get more...
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  • *claps!*

    A very great writeup, Bluecho And a very versatile set of Paradox spirits, given that they all revolve around a single sphere. I like!
    And for some reason, whenever I imagine Ms. Four playing her record, this track from Hotline Miami pops into my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_pBJN_O3M

    Not quite Jazz, but for some reason it's just stuck in my head with her....
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to Discord?
    Not so far.

    It came up in http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...cial-cwod-chat and I suggested Discord, but anything literally *official* would probably require extra manpower for keeping an eye on, sooo...it's more likely something unofficial will pop up at some point on there.
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  • Of note is, that using things like Vicissitude or Life to increase things like bodily stats or appearance permanently only costs half XP.
    Also of note is that, on the flipside, the books suggest the one *doing* the alteration, even if it's on somebody else, needs to pay 'em.
    So, no abusing the character in the group that can do it for everybody else, because their player is probably not wanting to spend XP on everybody else. Clever.


    That said, however, I'm torn on the issue of having somebody pay XP for something like plain, normal surgery. It sounds like an RP...
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  • However, you can heal complex organisms with Life 3, soo..
    Yeah, I think it's a thing that might be quite up to the ST in this case I think, wether separately growing/cloning a single organ constitutes a complex organism effect or not.
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  • That's exactly why I suggested using Life 3 to also analyze the heart of the patient - so the heart created out of the meat won't get rejected, as it essentially is their own ...
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  • Uh. Well. Whatever the plastic surgery was set to achieve? (Provided it was thoroughly successful).
    Annnd that's pretty much it. You can turn an App 1 person into App 5 if you put enough money and experts on it.
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  • To add, this whole shebang can actually be pulled off in a Coincidental way. We live in a time where we have started to actually 3D print living tissue for transplants in RL, so if said Mage works with a similiar (but of course much improved!) setup, nobody will think that something is..off.
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to A Maurader guru?
    Oh man. This discussion turned into awesome MMORG-Marauder rotes

    Actually, it reminds me of Team 23.
    Team 23 is a bunch of (assumed VA) Marauders described in the Book of Madness Revised. They essentially were playing their Digital Web version of DooM co-op....when suddenly a massive paradox whiteout hit.

    And they have been playing ever since, except they're not in the Digital Web anymore.
    As in, they warp into your favorite office building, in full gamey scifi gear, and see all employees as monsters that need to be "fragged". And then do so....
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  • Matter 2 / Life 3 sounds good to me, too. Time shouldn't be needed, although Prime 2 doesn't hurt to vitalize the matter.
    After that just preserve and transplant the old fashioned way.

    BONUS:
    You might be able to use Life 3 to also analyze the organ inside the patient, so the meat gets transformed into a virtual clone of the patient's organ, just in a healthy state.
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to Hell on WoD
    Any kind of hell and demons you can imagine exists in the folds of the High Umbra, and when Mage talks about summoning demons, it's often left ambiguous what kind of real a particular demon is being summoned from. The Book Of Worlds describes a few places like it.

    So all in all, we have
    * The Hells of the High Umbra, which includes all sorts of Hells humanity can imagine. So, hellfire, ashes, being poked with tridents while swimming in a lake of fire..that one is there, definitely.
    * The Abyss, where the fallen of Demon escape from. Of note is that the Middle Umbra contains...
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to A Maurader guru?
    What I'm missing in the discussion is the actual defining Marauder aspect.

    Because this...



    Can in theory happen to anybody who suddenly awakens, and their (high level) avatar poses and looks like a deity in their eyes, *especially* if they have the 'Manifest Avatar' merit.
    The Avatar becomes a holy figure trying to teach them and make them teach others. Heck, it's the concept of a Verbena of mine, to whom their avatar appears as the actual trifold Goddess, and they see themselves as their priestess. She's not a Marauder - but what would *you* do if...
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to Mythic Threads and magic rules
    Huh? I never said it should apply only for conjuration. As I said, by HDYDT-RAW it applies to transformations as well. I think that it can be, as you said, neat in a fluff way. Technically by RAW duration matters for each and every magickal effect unless it's made permanent
    I bet somebody can come up with neat ways of making a set duration work in your favor, too..




    There is no Quint cost for conjuration by M20 RAW. Phil confirmed that Quintessence in those cases means the free floating quintessence around. See the last posts right in here about the...
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to Mythic Threads and magic rules
    Nah, nothing of that is explicitely stated anywhere.
    How to make an effect permanent is 'up to the ST' in M20. In Revised it was 'twice the required successes' if I recall right...? And it isn't stated anywhere if conjured things are subject to duration rules, or basically become normal part of reality instantly.

    But regarding my last post, I simply think that, *if* one uses the houserule of requiring Quintessence to make a conjuration permanent, then it makes also sense that without using Quintessece, the conjured pattern could be made effectively permanent by using a long,...
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    Last edited by Ambrosia; 03-02-2017, 06:01 PM.

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  • A key difference to realize why it's hard to equal-lore crossover Mage (And Mage specifically) with other gamelines, is that the Mage gameline inverts the usual WoD in-character/out-of-character lore formula.
    Here's a simplified example:


    Vampire:
    "European vampires *believe* that vampirism is God's punishment on Caine. They *believe* that they are descendants from him, and some treat it as a sin to escape, others embrace it. Nordic vikings *believe* they are descendants from a warrior blessed by Odin. An African bloodline *believes* that they got created from...
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  • Ambrosia
    replied to Mythic Threads and magic rules
    Yes, you do not need to spend Quintessence to conjure something out of nothing in M20
    It takes a little bit of reverse-thinking for players used to Revised and reading M20, but not needing Quintessence is *why it's not mentioned* under the Prime 2/Conjuration in the M20 corebook.

    Or put differently: If you put a new player in front of a M20 book, and they read up on conjuration, they'd not even get the idea that Quintessence is needed for it. And that's how it's intended.

    You do however, as also mentioned in there, need Quintessence if you want Forces to persist...
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    Last edited by Ambrosia; 03-02-2017, 06:36 AM.

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