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  • shkspr1048
    replied to On Non-Iremite Mummies (v 4.0)
    Morally and metaphysically? How so?
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  • shkspr1048
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    OK, new hypothetical for our self-made: Their general purpose in the world. As self-initiated immortals, they have no pre-planned instructions from the outset but have 'missions' assigned by the Legalistic Sekhem Force governing their continued existence in the Heavenly Realms. These missions center around maintaining the smooth flow of Sekhem throughout the world, which can range from the 'processing' (draining) of Relics, slaying Amkhata (or whatever Asiatic variations thereof exist) and other Lifeless beings, and even geomantic landscaping to "smooth out" existing Sekhem flows. Needless...
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  • shkspr1048
    replied to On Non-Iremite Mummies (v 4.0)
    I'd stick with Memory, but have it not represent memories of past Descents so much as past existence in the Heavenly Realms; it would have similar functions as Memory for Apothesized Arisen....
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  • shkspr1048
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    OK, but the truth/lies dichotomy doesn't have any great bearing on the nature of the self-mades' adversaries.

    The last one, though it doesn't "control Sekhem" any more than the Shan'iatu do (at best, they're both very good at influencing it); ShenLong exists, the self-made encounter it, and it lets them stay in the Heavenly Realms if they agree to do certain jobs for it. If they don't, then they are stuck in the Earthly Realm, unable to restore their personal energy and so are limited to resurrect with the bare minimum of energy (come back with Sekhem 1).

    If...
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  • shkspr1048
    replied to On Non-Iremite Mummies (v 4.0)
    Where did you get the 'truth' bit?


    ShenLong isn't the Shan'iatu; they just fill roughly the same cosmological niche.



    I don't know about the whole "perverted faith" bit, but the cast-out-of-heaven-for-the-actions-of-others part; assuming that ShenLong is a stern, Legalist-style entity, this could work very well., especially if the "impure ones" (I'm looking back at my Emperor/Guard idea) effectively stole the secrets of immortality from the self-made....
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  • shkspr1048
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    OK, the article says that this type of self-mummification was for reaching new levels of enlightenment. In my mind's eye, I see them succeeding, and encountering...something, a Shan'iatu analog (Hell, at this point we might as well call it 'ShenLong'). Guarding the secrets of immortality (amongst other things), it accepts the self-made as its agents.

    Now, let's set mechanics aside for a moment; Who would the main enemies of the self-made be, their Shuankhsen/Deceived? My first thought was to go the 'Wicked Emperor and his Immortal Guard', but that seemed a bit too cliche. Anyone...
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  • shkspr1048
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    OK, hope everyone had a good holiday. Now, back to work!

    I believe that someone mentioned monks who effectively self-mummified themselves? That sounds like an interesting avenue to explore; does anyone have more information on that?
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  • shkspr1048
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    This is exactly why I've been exploring the 'unintended consequences' angle; it's much easier to align with existing canon.

    Also, you wrote the Immortals crossover material? Very nice! Though I am curious as to why the Purified were notably absent......
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  • shkspr1048
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    For the purposes of continuing this thought experiment, let's say that it takes 100 deaths to create one Deathless, barring any external factors (experimentation, patrons to appease, etc.). Outside of mass sacrifice/execution ("The Irem Method"), how can this number be achieved? Right off the top of my head, I'm thinking of plague, or some sort of natural disaster.
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  • shkspr1048
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    These are some intriguing ideas; I'm already thinking of the Genius Loci mummy who can have their Cult 'summon' a physical form for them in their Temple-Body, but whose life force is bound there; they can go explore the world, but only there can their 'body' be healed.

    Also, a thought on Regia: have you considered concepts like herbalism and internal alchemy? If the Arisen are essentially Revenents+, then these fellows could be Purified+.

    As great as these alternate-crafts Arisen ideas are, and as much insight as they provide in giving us new ways to look at the Curse,...
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  • shkspr1048
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    For the record, in my analogy the atom bomb was the act of rewiring the cosmos to allow beings like the Arisen to exist in the first place, not just beings of their power level, so your "arms race" take on it kind of falls flat for me. That said, I think you're right that it would take less energy to repeat the process, but again, how much of what was sacrificed was actually necessary?...
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  • shkspr1048
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    This post, forever. I tried to make these points back in the second thread, with analogies likening the Shan'iatu's actions to setting off a mystical atom bomb, with anomalous entities a result of the 'fallout', but LostLight explains it here just so much betterI

    So, let us continue with this premise, which unless I am very much misreading it here, is 'Sekhem will find a way' (with apologies to Jeff Goldblum and Michael Crichton).

    Now it has been pointed out that the Rite of Return required a truly massive amount of resources to pull off, but why? How much of it was...
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  • shkspr1048
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    I like that enthusiasm, but are there purposes behind the returns of these beings? An otherworldly force may have enabled their return, but what purpose did their preparers have in mind? What makes these beings live again, as opposed to just being examples of the walking dead and willful spooks? The Mummy core book did have some great rules for revenants, so why are these creatures we're creating here more than mere embodied ghosts?
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  • shkspr1048
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    Alright, so we don't treat a bog mummy like an Arisen. What should we treat it like?...
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  • shkspr1048
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    My apologies, I never intended to do anything to make the moderators break out the red text. This will be the new Master Thread for this topic.

    And in that spirit, here are links to the past threads, should anyone want to re-read them for new ideas:

    First Thread: On Non-Iremite Mummies

    Second Thread: On the Spontaneous Arising of Non-Iremite Mummies



    I can only speak for myself, but I included it here because I was hoping to explore the Themes of Mummy (memory, self-discovery, identity, purpose...) in new and different milieus. How...
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  • shkspr1048
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    Oops, I forgot, it's only been released to certain backers from the first book's Kickstarter. My bad....
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  • shkspr1048
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    Ideally, yes, but technically so is everything else in existence.
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  • shkspr1048
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    On Non-Iremite Mummies (v 4.0)

    My last attempt to garner some interest in the idea of Non-Iremite Arisen (based on the conceit that Sekhem is a universal constant and thus the Rite of Return could conceivably happen anywhere) met with some modest success, but by and large, the consensus seems that any new types of mummy should be their own thing, separate from the concepts of the Arisen. So, now that the Dark Ages Companion is out (specifically the chapter on Cleopatra's Egypt, rich as it is with material on other immortal beings), I figured I'd give it another try along those lines.

    The first point of order: Should...
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  • They're all good, but for the most potential, I'd recommend the Derry-Castle Rock-Jerusalem's Lot region in New England.
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  • shkspr1048
    started a topic Non-Mages Using Imbued Items

    Non-Mages Using Imbued Items

    With the current rules, a Non-Mage using an Imbued Item rolls a dice pool of the Arcana rating of the imbued spell. Why is it that a Sleeper then has a better chance of creating a hurricane than listening in on a conversation across a room? I'm hoping this issue gets addressed soon, if not in Signs of Sorcery itself.
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