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  • Neros
    replied to Grimoire - What do they look like
    Interesting Dave Brookshaw .. Been looking forward to something like this since I started reading deeper into Grimoire's :P

    But in the sneak peek on p. 2 under "Imbued Grimoires", it sais:

    "By the same token, Imbuing an item that's already a Grimoire requires extra successes equal to the highest number of Arcana dots involved among the rotes in the Grimoire"

    What are these successes it mentions? As fare as I know, you don't need any successes to make the Grimoire.. Just Potency and subject to cast on..
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  • Neros
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    Hardwire99 We have already changed it. Right now I am just discussing my view on, replying to the post. I am sorry if it seems like I am trying to argue (I might be mixing the two terms here).
    It happens with my real life group as well where a solution or similar has already been reached, but I still like to discuss it. Not so much to convince, but more just to hear others opinions on in.

    ElvesofZion Uuh. That is a good way of looking at them. It is not "THE" way to teach new Rotes. It is a tool to cast magic.

    But I still cannot see how the text limits...
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  • Neros
    replied to Grimoire - What do they look like
    That is how I want to envision mage working. But the use of a spell for creating the Grimoire just doesn't work for me. And it seem like it is only me and my group that thinks so :P

    The example you gave is someone who wants their Rote to be understood but hidden. Maybe rolled some dice to hide it with Intelligence + Academics.

    I am saying, with the rules due to it being a spell, that a Grimoire could be filled with lots of content that in no way are related to the Rote. Thus, no one can understand/decipher the Rote since it seems like people agree that tou need to be...
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  • Neros
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    That makes me imagen a mage writing pages, upon pages of nonsense in a book. Nothing to do with the spell at all.. Or maybe even just one word and casts Scribe Grimoire.

    He will have essentially created a useless Grimoire where nobody can learn the Rote because the text is meaningless. Or the text could be a recipie.

    Again, to me it doesn't seem like the two work together well at all.

    But the "a mentor ghost containing your secrets" is a very nice idea
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  • Neros
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    milo v3
    That is true :P .. Completly forgot that part of Death.. Cast the spell on the pencil and you can now write on the ghost.. But the problem is still that what you write has no importance. The Rote itself is still made by Scribe Grimoire

    Michael
    I think you are right. But it is still not mentioned how this interaction is or how the text would affect the Grimoire.. Also, I think if that is how it was, a simple Knowing Prime spell would overrule the limit of the text.

    Axelgear
    Agreed, and that is kinda what I am missing. The mechanics doesn't...
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  • Neros
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    As I said, this is how I feel about how the "mechanics and narrative" works together. Caladriu's example really helped seeing it.

    When I look at the rules/narrative in the book:
    * There is the writing and there is Scribe Grimoire.
    * There is no real interaction or meaning between the writing and Scribe Grimoire. It all comes down to the spell in the end.
    * How badly or well written the text is has no effect.
    * What language it is written in means nothing.
    * The Rote is solely created by Scribe Grimoire

    This doesn't fit the narrative...
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  • Neros
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    That was a great example Caladriu.
    It is exactly how I would imagene studying and scribing would work in mage.

    Only thing that seems outside the rules is the need to research the spell, which isn't mentioned for some reason.

    So what I got so fare from most of the examples:
    * The text of the grimoire is irrelevant (you just need the arcana to understand it).
    * It is the Scribe Grimorie spell that actually does the scribing (no time needed to make the grimoire).

    So to me, the real problem seems to be the spell itself, which ruins the whole...
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  • Neros
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    While writing responses, I realized that I might be doing this wrong, not formulating the problem I am having.

    How would you in an example with setting and rules, have a player:
    * Reconize a Grimoire
    * Learn/cast from it
    * Scribe their own Grimoire

    Because I am having a hard time seeing how this is done with how the rules are.. it feels very wonky and incomplete.

    My biggest issue so fare I think, is the Scribe Grimoire spell. Do you cast it before or after you have written/crafted the recipient? Or do you cast it with a duration that lasts...
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  • Neros
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    Grimoire - What do they look like

    Hello there

    So, the mechanics for creating and using a Grimoire is pretty strait forward;
    * Cast Scribe Grimoire on a subject
    * Have the right arcana to cast it (and spend extra time)

    But I am about to introduce my players to Grimoires, and now those mechanics has opened up some questions for me about Grimoires since this would mean:
    * There is no need for any writting when creating them
    * Runes Isn't needed either
    * No need for mage sight to identify it
    * Don't need to know high speech to understand it

    With these things...
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  • Neros
    replied to [2e] Convince me Prime is great
    I have a Thyrsus mage in my group with Prime as her third Arcana, and so fare she has used it greatly in her investigation of a murder (discovering lying subjects, finding hidden rooms, unveiled compartments disguised as books, used it to hide the truth when she was lying, etc..)
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  • Neros
    replied to Memory Hole - Why No Withstand?
    That is true. But there are things that people normally wouldn't forget. Like if you got shot and don't know why.

    So I might make it a "by case" thing. Which I am kinda against as well, especially with something as "wishy washy" as this. It basically sais; "the GM determines if it works or not". Which is OK, but to much uncertainty, in my experience, leads to inactivity.
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  • Looked at Kinetic Blow as well.. Forgot it said unarmed only for some weird reason.. Can't see why it can't work with a weapon as well o.O ??


    Can't it be within the same spell? Many spells that increase or decrease their Arcanum's aspects are usually in the same spell.
    Mmmh.. Just imagine reversing the boiling and freezing point of something


    I would say you can cast Cold Snap on ghosts since spells seems not to be picky about what you cast it on, as long as it is something you can hit with touch, sensory or scrying range.


    Aaah....
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