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[Marcus]

??? I just said the opposite actually...

[Marcus]

Actually I like this implementation as it creates good horror scenes. Smoke drifting away; water that slips lefting a trail while it point towards you. And it allows also no Auspex Kindred to have a chance to deal with Obfuscate.

[Marcus]

Active Resilence effect can be activated whenever in the turn, also to address a surprise attack as it is reflexive.

[Marcus]

Well the very description of the power states: so sand and dust on the floor are pretty much acceptable....

[Marcus]

Ok, but I'm honestly sure that this is not the developer's intentionq. In order to use predatory aura against an obfuscated you must perceive him. Perceiveing is not just being aware he is there.

Let's make this example again: in the room, in front of you are disappearing three vampires. Against who are you lashing out? Lash out is an action directed against a very person.
By the way, this is my interpretation....

[Marcus]

To lash out you have to percieve the tge obfuscated throught Auspex or winning the roll for tracking him by indirect clues. You can't simply lash out if someone disappears in front of you. Well, you can but it would be a personal houserule of yours xD.
For the same reason you can't dominate an obfuscated before perceiving him....

[Marcus]

I would never allow to use dominate on an obfuscatex. You need to perceive him. Doninate is a aingle target power. In the case of more than one obfuscated you will have the absurd to dominate a Random person. Definitely not at my table.
You probably are thinking about the part: just the dominated need to be able to see the dominator eyes. That is just referring to when the target is wearing sunglasses ecc.

[Marcus]

Yes, you are difinitely right. I was considering Awe as an area effect but actually Confidant it's not. So yes. Just awe could be applicable in this case....

[Marcus]

1. Agree about obfuscate. I was talking about Surprise attacks indeed. If the victim spots the attack it's not a surprise attack by default anymore

2. We were talking about generic Majesty not just awe
If we have to stay with awe I'd tend to agree with you: the best you can obtain is a presence roll where the attacker, if he lose the contested, let's say as example: presence+composure/expression vs resolve+ composure, could considere his victim too good or important to deserve to be attacked at all. Otherwise no chance at all with awe as it just boost presence rolls...

[Marcus]

Obfuscate 3 applied in combo with 2 does not allow the touched to become invisible. It just allow to use te first power on other people. The second itself just allow to make unnoticed Object and animals but no people.
Furthermore I don't see any distinction between animals and People from any of Obfuscate powers. So I would rules the same for both of them.

Furthermore you can't interrupt a surprise attack with celerity. Sorry XD In order to interrupt you need to be aware of the attack, and an obfuscated vampire is most probably performing a surprise attack.

With...

[Marcus]

In 2ed Obfuscate is generically stated as removing vampire from perception. I'd say Animals are included.
Anyone can try to detect an obfuscated vampire by INDIRECT clues. That's meaning, if you succed the prolonged roll, you will be aware of the very current vampire's position but you still do not see him. I would allow such roll just if the character is aware that an obfuscated is in the area or if he has reasons to guess it. If you manage to perceive the vampire presence either by indirect clues or Auspex, you can then lash out to try to shatter his obfuscate power being then able to...

[Marcus]

But how to determine such penalities due to someone that is mooving? Could be valuable to have the target roll dex+atlethics with successes to be used as shooter penalities?...

[Marcus]

No they don't as they are still alive. Just dead corpse downgrade lethal to bashing...

[Marcus]

If it is just to simplify the fight ok. But non the less sounds weird to me that all the efforts someone else is putting into "contensting" your grapple are simply ignored.
Let's extremize:

1. The winner rolls 4 successes the opponent 0. It results into 4 successes/Damages

2. The winner rolls 4 successes the opponents 3. It still results into 4 damages altought the opponent made a much better roll than in example 1.

But as I said, if it is just to make it simplier that's fine....

[Marcus]

I guess dodge roll is a bit an exception here as it is stated it will reduce the attacker successes by one for each success rolled in a dodge....

[Marcus]

Well during a grapple in example as it is greatly affecting damages...

[Marcus]

Hi all,
I was reading again the Contested action paragraph on the book and I'm worried I've always ruled it wrongly.
I've always gone for: whoever won the contested roll considered the full amount of successes rolled and not just the difference between his and opponent's ones. But reading again:

"You roll your dice pool and the Storyteller (or
other player) rolls the dice pool for the other party. Whoever
rolls the most successes is the victor. Note that you count
the total number of successes rolled when working out if you
scored an...

[Marcus]

Awe does nothing more than making you the most important and amazing person in the area. You are suddenly considered as a VIP. So, what happens when you are fighting with someone that made you very angry and that suddenly you recognize him: hey wait but he's Sylvester Stallone (or whatever relevant person you personally like).
If I try to imagine myself in this situation I would surely hesitate to continue fighting. If we think tu a real fight, it's not just a sequejlnce of turn where in every turn there must be an action. A fight is also pauses, study, ec. So it has totally sense for me...

[Marcus]

Animalism 4: feral Infection

If the human/supernatural successes the Resolve+Composure - Vampire successes, this means that is totally uneffected by this power or just that he won't follow the Vampire command? Cause the book is not very clear as it states: A failed roll put the target under the vampire command.

I'm just not sure if in any case, also who is succeding at the roll, will be still killing eachone else.

Also, how can someone resolve this condition? Does he need just to wait the end of the scene? That means everyone dead around him? Sounds very...definitive...

[Marcus]

This is not really related to this specific topic: attacker
/defender but I'd like a feedback from you on how I'm currently handling different rolls.

Using the Lie example, if the "defender" is already suspicious and he is actively trying to understand if that specific character is lying, I'l go for a cintested roll (i.e. manip+subterfuge vs Wits+subt/empathy/whatever). On the other hand if it's a normal conversation where a character is lying and the audience has no particular reasons to think he could be laying, what I roll is just a normal roll penalized by the...