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  • I disagree with the notion that this is about an ideal state, instead I think this is about a lack of understanding when it comes to how to tell a story with this sort of group.

    Let us say a person wants to play a Tremere because blood magic and chantries, but when it comes to character behavior, they are playing a Brujah in everything but name. Such a character would never be embraced unless there was one hell of a deus ex machina just get the character out of character creation, then you would need another DEM just to explain why they are not being executed as a security risk, finally...
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  • You just described most vampire clans, except the Tremere and the Children of Osiris....
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  • I have always felt that people want to use the pyramid as blunt instrument of oppression when in fact it is a more precise tool of selection.

    Think of it like this, the Tremere do not embrace easily or rashly. The candidate must show an aptitude for the clan interests, which means being some what intellectual and often predisposed to magic. Then with the embrace they are partially bound to the council, meaning that the character is predisposed to value the clan and its systems. Lastly the neonate is moved to a chantry, which is run by a regent who will always have dominate and a lower...
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  • That is kind of the point. Back when the code of chivalry was practiced, society used marriage and relationships in a different manner than we do today.

    If you were a peasant then you didn't concern yourself with chivalry when it came to romance. If you were high enough in society to where chivalrous behavior had to be considered, then the family had far more to say on the matter than your personal feelings did, hence the part about arranged marriages based off of what amounts to business deals.

    Also if you dig into the very term chivalry that makes things even more messy....
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  • A more accurate Chivalric Romance means you offer the girls father a couple of farm animals or a new house in exchange for the arranged marriage. Also don't forget during that period in history it was not unheard of for the familys to expect the bride and groom to consummate the marriage in front of the congregation before leaving the church.

    Funny how details like that don't get brought up in the romance discussions. Perhaps that is the origin of the mid coitus "oh god" comes from.

    So tenants would be something like:
    1. Always offer fair value to the...
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  • Thoth
    replied to About The Second Inquisition.
    Vampires are often portrayed as cruel, petty, heartless, sadistic, perverted, hedonistic, and often cheat on their taxes. So the worst kind of scum, except that every vampire is made from a human being, so perhaps the base materials are part of the problem.

    As for how to explain the 2nd inquisition characters, ask your self how bad do you feel about the random mobs in a horde shooter video game or the basic rats you kill in an RPG? Once you dehumanize your enemy, you can destroy them in horrible ways and not think much about it. Add to that the sense of having a "cause"...
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  • Thoth
    replied to Dark Ages Settings...
    That moment when some one suggests a historical splat for a time period in your lifetime

    All kidding aside, every era has its charms. Personally I think an American Civil War splat might be good for describing potential clan interactions, though I fear they will all more or less turn out like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.

    Alternatively I would love to see a prehistory splat with pseudo-exalted levels of game play for the earliest of 4th generations. Sure there won't be much of a night life or socializing and your "city of choice" is just a few mud huts,...
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  • Thoth
    replied to Daedric Princes as Vampires
    Off the top of my head....

    Molag Bal = Giovanni
    Dominate + Potence = a lot of force, and Necromancy can on occasion be considered a rape of a soul.... so yeah

    Hormaeus Mora = Tremere

    Hircine = Gangrel or Nosferatu depending on personal preference

    Clavicus Vile = Ventrue

    Malacath = Brujah

    Namira = Nosferatu

    Nocturnal = Lasombra

    Sheogorath = Malkavian

    Mehruns Dagon = Ventrue or Tremere

    Sanguine = Toreador...
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  • Thoth
    replied to Loathsome regnant
    The thing about being "loathsome" in a game is that it can all too easily just become cliché and pointless. To make the characters truly disturbing there has to be a balancing characteristic that make a given person question the validity of their choices.

    For instance the southern gentleman might use physical pain as a means of behavior modification, but what happens when those trained by him end up with impressive levels of self control and discipline, a single minded focus on what ever they are tasked with achieving?

    For the cult leader it is the same thing,...
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  • Thoth
    replied to More Female Antediluvians
    Unless you are in a state of Golconda, which means regardless of generation you can rank 10 in everything, which means the weakening blood is not an absolute.
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  • Thoth
    replied to More Female Antediluvians
    The tricky thing about Cain and the 2nd Generations vs. the 3rd Generations is the question about default power scale. Disciplines go ranks 1 thru 10, but what happens with Caine or the 2nd gens? Do they have discipline rank 11 when rank 10 is routinely classified as "Plot Device" or does the bump in power mean that they have access to something completely different like how hedge magic or Thaumaturgy is a pale shadow to the True Magic of mages.

    A way this could go is the old idea that Exalted was pre-history setting for WoD, which would make Cain an Abyssal Exalted and...
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  • Thoth
    replied to More Female Antediluvians
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    So the only people out there are the ones that agree with you or are "privileged" and thus lose credibility.... must be nice to live in an echo chamber.

    Random side note, where do you really think "privilege" comes from? Most people say you started out in life with money or are of a socially more acceptable heritage, but in truth privilege comes from some one at some point in that family's past getting their act together and making something of themselves and then most crucially having offspring who didn't squander that...
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  • Thoth
    replied to More Female Antediluvians
    If you need some one else to give you respect, dignity or relevance, inevitably end up never getting any of it. You have to make it for yourself and strangely enough the rest of the world starts to treat you in kind.

    It kind of boggles the mind that in a game where you make your own characters, with your own storylines, often with your own home brew rules, there is a need for the developers or writers to change their backstory or setting. With that as a tool set, only the most limited of imaginations get hung up on trying to force canon into line with their personal needs....
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  • Or another way to put it is that the Devil-Tigers are the "Good Guy Sabbat".
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  • Thoth
    replied to More Female Antediluvians

    I feel like calling this a "90's element" is a bit disingenuous, the writers made characters and wrote backstory, despite some modern ideas there is no binding contract that requires enforced diversity and balanced numbers just for the sake of having it. A story should just flow from the writers inspiration.

    As for having the two female Antes be "Hot Chick" and "Nature Chick", considering that the base line character traits were set in what 10,000 BCE to 7,000 BCE what exactly do you think is open for character generation, depending on the
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  • The fundamentals covered in the video and its sequel are required to hold on to power regardless if you have fangs, but the vampiric condition makes it a bit murky. For instance in the follow up video "Death & Dynasties" one of the biggest differences is that a vampire leader never grows old like mortals do, thus the entire discussion of cyclical replacement goes out the window.

    Further more when you think about vampire society, exactly what is the resource that the Prince is distributing to his keys? It's not money because the game by its very nature extrapolates money...
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  • Thoth
    replied to What is your 'cover' in vtm?
    Vampires can easily be producers rather than owners given their extensive life spans. Quite literally every year some craftsman passes away and the world loses all the techniques that they knew and used in their craft, vampires can become walking repositories for knowledge. But anything esoteric that can be sold online is potential option. Chances are you will find more vampires on Etsy or Ebay than down at a goth club.

    Alternatively the vampire can have a legitimate business, but caters almost exclusively to other kindred. For instance a vampire could specialize in antique restoration...
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