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  • Except very few people or D&D itself deals with the issue that there is more than one set of laws. Often those laws are contradictory to each other or simply expect to be considered first before others. A "lawful" character that is so inflexible as to be incapable of doing anything beyond the law isn't a character, that's OCD where the person has to stir their cup of coffee a specific number of times before drinking it.

    Lawful merely refers to the notion that they have a set of rules that they default to before considering alternatives or the validity of said rules....
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  • I think we have to be careful with the adherence to law equating to morality. For most of human history religious law and societal law are two sides of the same coin. So you could receive religious and or societal punishments for any type of crime.

    By many middle eastern laws anyone in the world who eats a pork product (bacon, ham, BBQ, etc) is guilty of breaking both mortal law and religious law. By Christian tradition if you eat meat on Friday you are breaking the law. Under Taliban law it was illegal to smile or laugh in public, the religious equivalent of police officers would...
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  • Fair enough.

    Though the Malkavian concept does bring up an interesting parallel. Most societies agree that love is a good thing, But if the individual is suffering from Erotomania that "good" thing called love drives the individual to extreme behaviors that can create a lot of "evil". We as a society find the results of this behavior abhorrent, thus classify it as a mental disorder, allowing us to maintain a clean distinction between good and evil, regardless of the hair we end up splitting to make it work.

    In regards to the anarchs, they have always...
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  • Anyone can believe anything, but it doesn't matter unless they have the power to influence others to make those beliefs count.

    For example if a moderator bans some one for bringing up a given topic, it doesn't matter if the Moderator was righteously upholding the rules or suppressing free speech in an evil way. It only matters in the end that the moderator had the power and chose to use it. The morality of a given action tends to be retroactively filled in hindsight with justifications or excuses. Kind of like how historical figures go through waves of revisionism based upon which...
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  • For my two cents on the topic I think that the concept of the "by night books" is flawed at its root due to the setting.

    In a fantasy setting you can release a book that talks about a place because there is no other source of information about it. With the WoD setting Google is your City Book because it allows you to go to any point in that locations history, rather than the small slice of time that the By Night book is relevant. Also most of the By Night books tend to be designed to be game line or concept exclusive. A good example is the San Francisco by Night book. If...
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  • The problem is that evil is more or less a meaningless concept. One groups Hero/Rebel is another groups Terrorist/Criminal and thus evil comes down to if the individual or group is working towards a goal you agree with.

    In TV shows like Burn Notice, Leverage, and Person of Interest, the "good guys" routinely manipulate the "bad guys" into defeating themselves, often with lethal results. Conversely in the Hannibal tv series we often see that Hannibal manipulates things from the shadows for no greater good than his own amusement and curiosity. Then you have the hybrid...
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    replied to Most overpowerred discipline
    Actually your inability to gauge the threat level of ghosts is exactly the problem that most clans have. With the Ghost being invisible and intangible you can't really perceive it unless you have Necromancy or an ST allowing Auspex to see them. Even if you were able to detect them thanks to some Hedge Magic, unless you also know a hedge magic method for warding against them or harming them, there is nothing you can do about ghosts following you or messing with you.

    Further more Ghosts retain stats and experience. So a given ghost may or may not be able to use arcanoi to pick something...
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  • Thoth
    replied to Most overpowerred discipline
    To be fair I don't think it's the strongest either, I am just taking exception to your commentary about it. It shows a level of dismissiveness and narrow vision, or at least it comes off as such.

    Finding a Fetter is not that easy, it's not like they glow or otherwise reveal themselves automatically without magical aid. Trying to find a Fetter can take multiple games if not an entire chronicle to achieve. This is due to the fact that either the ghost is old enough to have very little known about them which means finding a fetter is almost impossible without magical assistance or the...
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  • Thoth
    replied to Most overpowerred discipline
    Smells like homebrew-itus or a terminal case of "never looked it up".

    Not all necromancy involves enslaving or forcing spirits, depending on the circumstances the ghosts can be just as much NPCs as any other supernatural. If you or your ST is only viewing Necromancy as a Giovanni sex fetish, then yeah I can see how that limited point of view could lead to that conclusion.

    Also basic Occult doesn't do much with spirits or ghosts. It is kind of the difference between reading a book that has a scene where a character undergoes open heart surgery and being an actual...
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    replied to How are bloodlines created?
    Off the top of my head.

    Step 1: Something cool shows up in popular media and Game Developer wants it in their game.

    Step 2: File the serial numbers off and change name to avoid copy right and then figure out which main clan the thing would the closest to.

    Step 3: Write up the cool thing as a rare bloodline of that clan or just hint at a few clans to make things more generic

    Step 4: Rush the concept to print in the next book update without double checking how the existence of such a thing would change the setting and history.

    Step...
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  • It's a balancing act of cultures. Practically every culture around the world essentially starts off as superstitious and has a laundry list of taboos and behaviors designed at the very least to placate the supernatural or more often how to mange it. The tricky part comes from how the culture progressed from those beginnings and interacts with the modern age.

    In modern day Africa there are places that the populace have access to smart phones and the internet, yet they still believe in Witch Doctors to the point that there are laws on the books for prosecuting illegal magic users. Obviously...
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  • The astrology technically can be as much of a prediction ahead of arrival as it is an alert once the new HD has risen, so technically it works better.

    As for "too many hunters" that is a tricky thing to argue for or against because we don't have functional numbers on them, we don't have canon information on how connected they are or how good their intelligence network is. I mean if its just a group of four of five people traveling around the country in an RV and stopping any where that has a news article talking about strange deaths, 99% of their stops are going to be dead...
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    replied to The mindsets of old Vampires?
    Following that logic any person born and raised in one country and moved else where is a vampire elder since they fall back into first languages when flustered.

    Though to be fair I have known several people who are multilingual and had a habit of slipping in and out of various languages in the course of a sentence. This made things very interesting when you had several of them in the same conversation because everyone understood everyone else despite all of them mixing the language content of their sentences....
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  • Usually a combination of stories relating to some monster running amok in the next prefecture or province, usually followed up with astrology and divination. Once the newbie is captured and civilized, they tend to group up with like minded types or are assigned by the local elders to a Wu....
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  • Just to be clear, which part is not helping?

    The fact that White Wolf canonically stated in Kindred of the East that all asians are of a different spiritual content than all other humans on the planet, being the descendants of a magical sub-species of human / corrupted dragon-blooded. This is why the asian souls can go to the Yomi and end up creating broken mirror areas in asian communities in foreign lands. Thus a heritage of magic wielding people as portrayed in the WoD technically makes them superior to other bloodlines of humans in the setting as written.

    Or is the...
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  • Thoth
    replied to The mindsets of old Vampires?
    Actually that is more or less what we are complaining about with your take on things.

    If I were to argue about realism, no vampire could survive in the World of Darkness longer than a couple years if they were not capable of constantly adapting and learning. The attrition rate of for vampires who act like spoiled socialites, edgy high schoolers, or two dimensional villains would be near 95% if not 100%. Essentially the setting simply would kill any character who was neither competent or adaptive. So you have to ask yourself why the game has those sorts of characters, not because it...
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  • Yes and no.

    An Elder vampire who has 50+ blood points only has about 10 pints of physical blood in their system. So while blood is the medium by which the life force is transferred, there isn't a direct volume to power ratio, thus by extension not an easy way to gauge recovery.

    This makes for headaches when trying to math out certain things, but it also means you can do interesting story stuff like what happens if the herd lives in a building built on a node or dragons nest, thus essentially super charging the blood or causing faster recovery....
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  • Thoth
    replied to The mindsets of old Vampires?
    wow, talk about a pot talking to a kettle scenario....
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  • On the other hand, they actually could be superior and thus their point of view is justified. Then again those who don't know an answer often consider those who do understand such things to have superior than thou attitudes.



    Or we could just look at how anime and manga have messed with European vampire legends. All the vampires would more akin to Helsing or Darkstalkers. About the only European aspects about them are the names and the excessive use of lace & ruffles on the costumes....
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  • KotE is a very clunky system that doesn't lend itself to a casual review. Most of its powers and systems are locked away in the secondary systems or how they interact. Thus many white room comparisons fall short due to only a surface reading been done or a lack of alternate parameters being considered.

    Also since Kuei-jin don't function off of a clan system like Cainites, you have no clue what the true power level of your encounter actually is. The Hungry Dead you are interacting with might be newly risen and civilized devil freshly indoctrinated into a given dharma or they could...
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