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[Eldagusto]

That is not always viable, especially not for each country because then if you get a book covering a region and you are budgeted for only a few writers you can't fit them in. And Malcom Shephard I don't think is Asian but he grew up in a buddhist family and was very qualified in my opinion to do his projects, like Dragons of the East. That said I believe the Mage book specifically made an attempt to get writers from different backgrounds to help write the different traditions....

[Eldagusto]

I dispute this, you will punish me for disputing this. There is no method of disputing moderation when moderators handle the complaints. I've pointed out disagreements with you in the past and my opinion of you misusing your power because you have an arbitrary grudge. You will ban me and there will be no consequence to your history of behavior.

I was responding to someone's response that I interpreted as they don't respect anyone who disagrees with them. The starter of the conversation even rebutted with validation for my opinion.

Once again Lioness In my opinion...

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I remember Libris Ex Nocturnis! I was just thinking about the alternate rules for Tribal Weaknesses in the form of Bans and then their was an Essay on Malfeans and how they could have spawned from the death of dreams in the form of Chimera.

I never read A Blanket of Rage though.

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Shadows of Mexico is one of my gaps in book knowledge :P I haven't read that one yet.

Capacocha were the first imperfect spell of going west for the mummies of the Americas, later they perfected it into true life/immortality and they were the Teomallki. They are divided into four Suyu:

Chaskimallki
Intimallki
Pachamallki
Uchumallki

They were each of a different region and culture and have a favored magic....

[Eldagusto]

Would you be of the opinion the Loa too would have been better? I know some have shared that sentiment. I'm fine either way. I was one of the ones who made stink over Sekhmet shouldn't have just been Bast....

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Hmm a Cage for the Soul...

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See I always mix up 1st ed and 2nd. :P

You don't think they would be a sub Pantheon like the Loa or the Roman Pantheon (pantheon of mantles I guess) ?...

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Well Silver Fangs I got the impression did issue such edicts. We know when they did that for instance Fenrir, Fianna and I think even the Shadowlords defended the Corax. And they smashed Mokole Clutches all over the place, and even the Pure Ones weren't the best neighbors to their Fera....

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Holy crap you might be right, they might have an Apocalypse genocide the Wan Gui host! I wonder how they would do it without it being a worldwide apocalypse, maybe the Yama Kings will have one of their number become the Demon Emperor and reclaim the escaped souls.

It would be a shame but they seem like they want to just Tabula Rasa the region. And I think this would be the most expedient way.

They were such a fun concept too....

[Eldagusto]

I mean a lot of it is semantics. In the Chronicles of Darkness unless you find gateways each layer of reality is split, with a few shortcuts. In the Umbra model they are separated but there are more established methods to cross between them, lots of super secret methods and a few are reachable by intent rather then following a map. Like Going to the Deep Umbra or the Deep Dreaming is the equivalent of going to the Supernal, and you kind of need special magics to pierce the Membrane separating it from the rest of the Universe.

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We were just over this Gui is the Pinyin form of Kuei which is wade Giles.

This is the character 鬼 its the character for ghost or demon. Its the same character for Mo Gui, which is what they called Gremlins in the movie Gremlins, which is just a word for evil spirit or demon....

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Kind of, Technically they all fall under the Umbra by animists point of view, but distinction can be had for the Dreaming which is specifically Fae and Dreams, and the Dark Umbra which is the lands of the Dead. But the Shadow is essentially the counterpart to the Penumbra, the nearest layer of the umbra which mirrors the Material....

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Technically its Garou vs other Breeds. We also have the Hengeyokai War of Shame and Garou on Garou War of Tears....

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How totalitarian.

But the implication in the stories Merlin and Morgan both have magics from faery lineage. I would justify her magics the same way I would justify the various Faery beings already presented. I don't need to spoonfed a line explaining faeries give you this, this and this but not that. I could treat her as a less Divine Circes and I would be in a decent ballpark....

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It's pretty simple don't treat the area like how all the 90's cartoons treated the Japan episode, tone down the Anime (which was mostly in the art style so no biggie) and do a bit of research and your good. Everything is tiptoeing and problematic now a days so that can only be avoided by ignoring it completely which is what they are doing. I don't want that.

Kueijin isn't an offensive word, its just a silly one. And its appropriate for the Elder Wan Gui to be elitist racists China has a history of treating anything outside the Empires borders as backwards barbarians. And Japan...

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Honestly the biggest fix is they need to Revamp the disciplines, with emphasis on the elder ones, and if we had that I could run them pretty well as is.

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Really your comparing Oberon to Johnny Appleseed?
Beowulf isn't mythology but we include that story in Scion with Beowulf as a Scion, and they talk about Caine's get but they put asterisks in it.

If its not your cup of tea then ignore that bit of my post, but I just tossed it in there as suggestions. Do I need like a Scion club ticket to have an opinion?

I'm a fan of how they made Hamleth a Scion, and they made the Earl King a Trollish being.

Morgan LeFay probably wouldn't be God level she would be tied to faeries. Oberon and Titania would be immortal...

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I don't know how serious they were about ignoring Kindred of the East or just wanting to recycle it. I am not a fan of just redoing all this detailed setting, and they fit rather perfect with the other Middle Kingdom books.


I forgot where I remember a description of a statue of Saulot and it was a bald European guy with a third eye. Where was it, was it Lair of the Hidden? No I don't think they had a statue of him there. I don't remember where I could have seen it.

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I know they are from Shakespeare I'm proposing the likely origins of them. Just like how they had the Danish Prince a Scion of Vidar. I know they aren't Irish, I mentioned them in the same breath I was mentioning an Arthurian character like Morgan Lefay. I was incorporating nonmythological figures using mythology as a background because it seemed appropriate.


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And I don't know if I would give Ares Chaos. He doesn't have the Order of Athena but he is more about merciless slaughter then chaos.

[Eldagusto]

Yeah it seemed odd to me that Heracles arguably the most well known Greek God (Well him or Zeus) is absent in the core.
But agree with your sentiments
I would like Eos Goddess of the Dawn and Pan included. As well I would like Morpheus and Eros (I forgot it again if he was added yet), and I think they treated Thanatos and Hypnos as titans but they would be interesting.
Kratos, Nike, Bia and Zelus would be interesting parents.


Was Bragi included yet with the Aesir? I know in 1st ed they added him later. Maybe have rules for being the Child of a Valkyrie,...