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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Notable Changes in Wraith 20th
    I skipped ahead to the Orpheus section, massive changes there. Most of the changes were exactly what I was expecting when I heard it was being modified to fit a pre-6GM underworld. A lot of what was distinctly Orpheus is gone, but that was pretty much inevitable. Orphan Grinders don't really make sense in Wraith, for instance, and the deeper themes of the two games were at odds. That said, a lot of work was put into making projector forays into the Dark Kingdom of Iron an interesting new journey. Two notable mentions, one bad one good:

    Grandmother lost a lot of what made her interesting....
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Help fleshing out a PC idea.
    If you really like the Moby Dick idea, consider if Otis didn't become a Spectre? What if he became a regular wraith? How much more interesting is Bradshaw's quest for justice or revenge when the people around him might want to keep his target 'alive.'...
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  • Ramnesis
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    There are dedicated Harrowing Spectres now. That's interesting to know. I remember a Helldiver in Doomslayers saying he was dreading the day he had to participate in a harrowing. I suppose that's still possible if there aren't enough dedicated cast members go go around.

    Some Spectres aspire to Harrowings, others have Harrowings thrust upon them.
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Notable Changes in Wraith 20th
    That does make the 'morning light' line seem like it needs a mention in the errata thread. Although even now I can't say for sure. Wraith senses being what they are, a perpetually dark Underworld does not preclude a day/night cycle, even if to the Quick it would only vary between pitch black and twilight....
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Notable Changes in Wraith 20th
    And of course I get to the Artifact background and the example two dot artifact is a compass that always points to Stygia... ...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Notable Changes in Wraith 20th
    Oh I think there's day and night in Stygia, just no sun. I imagine daylight in Stygia as a pale fuschia* sky and a directionless, waxy light that barely penetrates the shadows of the city's giant convoluted edifices. And while night would likely be pitch black and pervasive, the Onyx tower would turn it into an endless twilight to the keen senses of the wraiths living there.

    None of this has a source that I am aware of, especially not the reddish purple shades, its just my mental picture of the city....
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Notable Changes in Wraith 20th
    And that's how I'm interpreting the directions: arbitrary arrows on the Map. That's also why I haven't flagged it in the errata thread. I suspect that the River of Death is, by tradition, assumed to run from the East to the West and everything else is determined from there.



    Any directions at all. When I picture Stygia, I don't envision sun or stars. I never have, probably because of the whole Sunless Sea thing. Likewise I can't think of anything a compass would always point to in the Tempest (other than Stygia itself, which isn't that helpful for making a map of...
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  • Ramnesis
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    I'm now imagining a cleanup team after a maelstrom (small m) hits a Necropolis, as they dig away ad the flotsam and detritus left behind until their soulsteel shovels slam into the impenatrable garden soil beneath.

    Interesting change to Drones. As I recall Drones were simply those who crossed over with so little connection or drive (passions, fetters, and willpower) that they couldn't really hold onto themselves. Someone either became one or they didn't, there was no ticking clock. I'm guessing this change is part of an effort to establish Drones as a horrifying thing the PCs can...
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  • Ramnesis
    started a topic Notable Changes in Wraith 20th

    Notable Changes in Wraith 20th

    I'm only a small way into the book so far, but there are two things that have caught my eye so far:

    The Tempest referenced in the time before the First Maelstrom surprised me. What existed before the 3rd Great Maelstrom has been the topic of more than one thread on this forum so this change answers a question or two and raises a few more.

    I was not expecting Wr20 to change the formulation of Stygian Steel. That change is... well it keeps getting bigger the more I think about it. It changes how much of the substance Spectres are likely to have (the ones that fly the...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Wraith20 Backer Errata Thread
    I legitimately can't tell if this is a mistake or intentional.

    p35: The Great Evacuation. Charon exiled all the Shining Ones from Stygia before he ever found out they were corrupt. It might be that this section was supposed to refer to the Fishers and not the Shining Ones. It might be that this section was supposed to come after he found out what was going on in the Far Shores. Or it might be that this was intentional and Charon was taking out his anger at the Fishers on all those from the Far Shores. Not sure which so I'm flagging it.

    Also, point of clarification,...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Wraith20 Backer Errata Thread
    p19: Really confusing Underworld geography. So: "Howling beneath the placid surface of the waters is the Tempest, the eternal storm..." What waters? The only body of water mentioned in that section is the Sunless Sea: "Sitting across the Underworld from Stygia, the Far Shores are an endless archipelago of islands in the Sunless Sea." Those can't be the waters in question because that would imply that Stygia and the Far Shores are above the Tempest, and Stygia clearly isn't. From the same section: "Rare islands if stability exist within the endless winds; Stygia is...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Troubling setting change...
    When people say "the NSA knows...," whether that be which politician is sleeping with which rock star or if a former president exists on the other side of the shroud, it usually only means there is a small group of people within the organization who know. Leaks exist, sure, but they have to be plausible leaks to spread through the organization and beyond.
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  • "We were trying to create a dinosaur at one time that had the power of mind control."
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  • The recent show had a character called the holistic assassin. She wandered around, killing whoever she felt like and relied on insane levels of coincidence to protect her and move her to her destination. She seemed like a force of pain and discord until she tried to kill the wrong person and all of her protection vanished. Her only friend did some digging and found that all of her previous targets only seemed innocent and she was actually a force for justice.


    Really good inspiration for a low Loud Marauder there. Not because there was an element of justice, but because that justice...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    That's true of most Spectres, but I wouldn't extend that to the Neverborn. Instead their issue is that they find the world horrible and long for whatever they had before (whether that was Oblivion or some other world on the other side of it). Imagine for a moment that you fell through a gateway to another world where everything was made of bees and melting wax, the indigenous people communicated through infectious shrieking, and their emotions contaminated everything around them with the stench of fetid urine. Would you want to take a deeper look? Or would you rather huddle as close to the...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    That's precisely what they are for, and while they may be from Oblivion they aren't necessarily of Oblivion. It's not entirely clear why the Neverborn want to end the world although it is usually explained that they want to return to oblivion (desire to be annihilated) or they want to escape the world they are trapped in (desire to annihilate their bonds), but either way their desires are qualitatively different than Oblivion's.

    All of which can give fascinating inspiration for why a Nephandus would 'serve' a Neverborn or its sleeping emanations, or how they might go about manipulating...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    At my table it is the latter, definitely, and that's the idea I use whenever I'm looking at Wraith metaphysics. There are people who think the opposite though,...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    It is said that the ancient greeks deliberately worked small imperfections into their artwork to avoid offending the gods. The greek pantheon is all about dramatic overreaction and regular mortals were definitionally unworthy of seeing her bathing (and presumably also of having an opinion on her appearance).

    Also, as the goddess of the hunt, making a mortal prey was thematic to Artemis. As the goddess of wisdom, making mortals blind was thematic to Athena. That the former seems more vicious is immaterial....
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    It consumes and annihilates Angst as easily as it does everything else. It consumes more of it than anything else, in fact, since Angst is partly the desire for self destruction. But if Angst is growing faster than it is being eaten, Oblivion isn't going to do anything to redress the balance. Oblivion doesn't care about balance.

    Oblivion doesn't care about anything.

    Oblivion doesn't care.

    Oblivion doesn't.

    Oblivion....
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  • Ramnesis
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