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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Alternative Traditions Origins
    I think the Taftani make sense in the broad strokes. A group of Indopersian sorcerers with ties to a specific genre of folklore works quite well for Mage, and expands the Middle East beyond just Islam. Where they need work is in the details. How did they form? What organization di they have? Are they an organization or just a style of Mage common to the region (like the Verbena would have been if they didn't have to band together)? Why didn't they join the Traditions or the Technocracy?

    One possibility that occurs to me is that the reason they didn't join the Traditions is...
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  • If you aren't worried about matching the original appearance, you can claim eidetic memory abilities that let you just write or type out the book. You might even be able to claim your foci as mnemonic devices that help you recall things. The technological variant of this is even easier: claim you have a digital backup and print it out. Unless there is a physical manifestation of the Prime realignment you probably don't need to worry about explaining that part.

    If you need to match the appearance and physical characteristics of the original book you will probably need to either...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Alternative Traditions Origins
    I don't think that an extremist muslim faction should follow the pattern of the [Gabrielites]. The way I pictured it, the divide between the [Gabrielites] and the Chorus/Church is not one between fundamentalists and moderates. The [Gabrielites] were not fundamentalist, they were monomaniacal. They let their fight against the 'enemies of Christianity' eclipse their actual practice of Christianity. That's why they fanned the flames of the Reformation. They were so focused on their crusade that they would throw the entire Christian world into chaos to keep pursuing it.

    This divide isn't...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Alternative Traditions Origins
    That would work well, though it does change much of their role in the story. It pushes them away from the subtlest of Mages, general lovers of Unity, etc, and more towards being a heavily Islamic mage faction. I think its a good change as they often felt like a plot device to me, but it dramatically changes their role in the Traditions.

    They wouldn't be one of the driving forces of the founding. I'm not sure they'd even want to join the Traditions. If they do it is mostly because of the threat of the [Gabrielites], and even though the Batini could see the distinction between...
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Alternative Traditions Origins
    Given the passing similarities between the Taftani and the stories in 1001 Nights, I took a look at the history of the latter to see if there was any inspiration to be had.

    First and most importantly, the first direct mention of the compendium was in the 900s AD and it was explicitly described as a collection of stories nobles would tell after dinner. There is no evidence that it had much cultural significance beyond that. Because of that this looks like a rare case where we can say a fictional group inspired a real world element without trampling over everything. If we assume...
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  • There are indications of factions that came from somewhere other than Earth. The Aeduna, the inhabitants of Mt Meru, etc. Others could certainly be out there....
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  • At this point the only thing I am expecting is that is that it will be a massive shift that undermines the the idea and themes of Mage. I suspect they will massively undercut the idea of subjective reality, reduce the Ascension war to a battle for control of reality (rather than a battle for the form of reality), and strip out most of the "gonzo" elements.

    I also suspect they'll double down on some of the old stereotypes that only function some of the time, like the Technocracy falling to the Nephandi, the OoH being blindly arrogant and their magics failing due to disbelief,...
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  • Ultimately the challenge here has more to do with external conditions like where they are, how fast you need to reclaim them, who is watching/guarding them, etc. A lot of things are fairly easy for mages (time consuming or tedious perhaps, but easy) if they have unlimited time. Time limits and complications are the way to add tension to the challenge.
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  • Yes, knowing the location is Correspondence 2, you only need Matter if you are pulling them to you. The difficulty is going to be in number of successes or number of castings. A spell to find all of them will need as many successes as there are pieces (1 for the spell and 1 for each additional target), so 6 pages means 6 successes. You can also cast the spell as many times as there are pieces, which is probably the only reasonable option if there are a lot of pages....
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  • Ramnesis
    replied to Alternative Traditions Origins
    It would, and I nearly went down that path. In an early draft I stated it explicitly in the Hermetics writeup. I took it out because it wasn't the problem that I was trying to fix so it would be better to leave enough room that people could take it or leave it....
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