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  • vonpenguin
    replied to An alternate Olympus/Dodekatheon/Theoi
    Embalming does tend to involve taking out the more easily rotted organs and replacing fluids with preservatives doesn't it?...
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to An alternate Olympus/Dodekatheon/Theoi
    Honestly about 80%+ of the interpretations I've read have viewed it as more of an elopement situation. One of them even implies that Hades courted Persephone while making an arranged marriage deal and Demeter was mostly upset because them eloping meant Hades skipped out on paying a dowry....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Vengeance is Apparently An Actual Virtue
    Well first off, you are using christian philosophy to think about completely different moral viewpoints. That's automatically flawed since in 1e the virtue system was based on what those deities would value. In the case of vengence, that those who commit wrongs should be punished, this is similar, but notably not identical to the modern concept of justice, though the modern use of the word vengeance has drifted towards a more personal, self-gratifying, and even petty implication. I thin as long as you have some shades of "if you do wrong you must face consequences" in your depiction...
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to An alternate Olympus/Dodekatheon/Theoi
    1st edition was also notoriously loose with lore.

    Fair enough, I'm just saying the versions of Arachne's story I've read have all featured her losing, with the details being more horrific the closer the contest....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to An alternate Olympus/Dodekatheon/Theoi
    Well, the versions I'm familiar with the mortals invariably lost and it was the idea that they'd even attempt it that enraged the narcissists into petty murder/torture/transformation. The offense was in thinking they could even compete.And it wasn't Pan, it was a different, non godly Saytr named Marysas that was involved in the whole music contest and skinning incident.


    I agree on your Hades/Persephone views though.

    And I don't think there was anything said in the post about Hephastus being married to Athena, just that there were unrequited feelings. Not sure if...
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to An alternate Olympus/Dodekatheon/Theoi
    I don't see them as villains here, morally grey sure, and listing some of the nastier names in leadership and philosophy, but then this is pantheon where competing against them and losing gets you turned into a spider or skinned alive, to use examples those very gods performed. Greek gods are terribly flawed individuals, and if, hypothetically, the leaders of Olympus are fated to slide into their worst selves after getting that power and authority it lends an interesting twist to things....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to An alternate Olympus/Dodekatheon/Theoi
    Or in the modern world Athena could start to identify as male. Not really out of left field.


    I think Hades would probably side against his siblings though, I don''t think he was terribly fond of either his brothers (as I recall at least), and he does have a reason to hold a grudge against Demeter.

    Anyway I like this, and now I might shamelessly steal this for a sub-plot with Athena getting fed up with Zeus being a freaking jerk....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Ask Neall
    I meant that it depends on if it fits the idea behind the stories. Clearly what's true for one should be true for all or at least most if they occupy the same setting. And sure, but in a setting where a low end mythical craftsman can remake a book from ashes that muddies the waters a bit on if destroyed rather than just smashed to uselessness is even theoretically possible.

    That's easy? Seems like it would require research on the exact magic involved, the effort of taking it from a supernaturally powered entity, then the effort of doing X. Probably easy for something a god made as...
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Ask Neall
    That would depend on the legend wouldn't it? Excalibur broke when it was used against Lancelot for example. Sure Arthur wasn't a god but the lady of the lake would at least be a demi-god by scion reckoning. It would likely be something very difficult granted, getting Hephastus himself to break it, or else doing something completely against the nature of the relic for example, maybe dipping a Demeter gifted fertility boon in the river Styx, using a weapon granted by a guardian deity to kill toddlers, that sort of thing....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to April update and preview
    Well I mean, in the WOD games like vampire and werewolf aggravated damage could be stuff like perfectly mundane fire. So it might not be as insane as it sounds. Granted the previewed boons so far seem like they'd be demigod level in last edition. Which I approve of, makes it feel much more epic much earlier. And it means we might get some truly amazing god boons if we're lucky, stuff that feels like you control an element and aren't just pretty good with it....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to April update and preview
    A quick look at wikipedia does mention the changing planned roads to avoid damaging their homes. It seems they're using that name and combining a few slightly different varieties of territorial fair folk/fae/spirits. So... poor naming choice?...
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to The Tone of Scion
    I'm not trivializing anything. If anything playing scions as being born with some higher authority instead of earning it cheapens the entire character arc. Hercules struggled against his temper and underwent nigh-impossible trials to make up for mistakes that any of the born-god Theoi would have barely dignified with shrugged shoulders and an "opps". Yes it's about ascending to godhood, not being born with it. You have to shred mortal frailties, not just not be born with them....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to The Tone of Scion
    But you aren't playing Zeus, you're playing one of his innumerable bastards, with all the humanity being mostly human entails.
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to April update and preview
    Disappointing about the delay. But this update softens the blow quite a bit. I love the lore section, it nicely sets the tone for Scion/mortal interactions but leaves the scope flexible enough for different story styles.
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Ask Neall
    Fatebinding is now an intentional act. But is it intentional on the character level, or the player level?
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Boon issue
    That's my reading.

    True just spitballing....
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Boon issue
    rereading Levin fury, it goes off of wits+marksmanship to activate and extra successes apply (Straight from the book: "Each such bolt inflicts
    15 dice of lethal damage plus extra successes on the
    Marksmanship roll").. Plus the ability to chain and auto knockdown if it does damage all for 3 legend. And it seems range is "line of sight" so combine it with some perception knacks and you can hit people or titanspawn in the next county. It has the same issue as most ranged weapons do of not getting a bonus from any stat but most of the damaging demigod boons look to...
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Boon issue
    Strong, but not insurmountable, and that's a max roll with maximum relevant stats for that legend. If you get twelve tens on twelve dice I'd say you deserve to one shot your target.
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Boon issue
    Well Armor and the knack damage conversion could help. Not everyone will have it but then again only a specific segment of scions are going to have those particular stats maxed. That's when you get creative.

    Though in the end balance is usually well and truly shot by the end of demi-god anyway.
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  • vonpenguin
    replied to Ask Neall
    Well I recall it being mentioned that a lot of the knacks are about blending into a population. If he doesn't care then it wouldn't matter much, though Leader seems even more odd I'll admit. Sage seems to cover the fine line between wisdom and excess....
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