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  • My thinking of it, looking at it as an In-Game thing.

    The Lunar Exalted suffered a shock to their Castes. A breaking. And they were exiled into a chaotic realm where there is power in stories. So, Lunars remade themselves, forging their Castes anew... And to take advantage of their environment and focused to have greater focus and strength. Story Archetypes, the simplest and most core concepts found in stories of what a character is meant to be and do. The Warrior who's strength and skill lets him plow through barriers. The Shaman who's insight and wisdom finds solutions to...
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  • I think it's because it presents the problem that if EVERY Moonsilver weapon can shapeshift from sword to spear to bow or whatever, then... is there much of a difference between one Moonsilver weapon and another?

    It doesn't seem like it. So most Moonsilver weapons should have some defined structure to them, in order to assist in making them each more distinct and notable. Like, instead of a Moonsilver spear shapeshifting into a sword, the Lunar can use an Evocation to make the Moonsilver spear's shaft extend with explosive penetrating power or giving the Lunar sudden reach across...
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  • You can have a Beast with a Hunger for Prey who came to hunt other Supernatural creatures. Just because you're Kin, doesn't mean you get along after all. You could be associated with a Hunter that registers as Kin as well (the Lucifurge I think or something like that?) In this way, a Beast can get a pretty large feeding from hunting a dangerous target, especially if it results in a kill.

    This could be a rather beneficial arrangement for the Hunter, since they have a strong ally, and it's feeding their ally at the same time as it's removing another monster so that the Beast doesn't...
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  • If the Beast was well fed and had a Kinship Condition on the Mage, then that could result in a pretty amazing benefit to the Mage. Could potentially double their dice pool for using Supernal magic! O.O;...
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  • Mother's Kiss is a nice power up for Mages performing any rituals they want to perform that furthers their goals. That's a rather attractive boon to gain....
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  • A Beast and Mage relationship has a lot to offer each other. A Beast is drawn to explore the supernatural and such holds many mysteries for a Mage to obsess over. A great benefit the Mage gets is a friend who has access to the Skeleton Key.
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  • Basically, invoking this "contract" seems to have no grounding in any mechanics and purely comes across as an arbitrary decision.

    Every Chronicles of Darkness games has themes that they're meant to invoke, and they invoke these themes with the reinforcement of the mechanics of the game. It sounds like Princess wants a theme of safety (odd for a Horror game..) but seems to just eschew the mechanics to support that theme by just hand waving it with the arbitrary declaration that this will never matter.

    And that's very unsatisfying of an answer and not persuasive...
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  • That makes absolutely no sense. A vampire being harmed by sunlight isn't an effect of a supernatural power that the vampire is using, even passively.

    And no. Saying that the rules need to account for Beast is not favoritism, that's just acknowledging that the powers that a Beast is expected to have and accounting for them so the person who's playing a Beast doesn't feel shafted by you being arbitrary. At that point, it's better to just acknowledge that the game isn't meant for Crossover and just recommend people who play it don't do Crossover without changing aspects of the game....
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  • It seems kind of unneeded... Considering the use of Family Resemblance isn't really a sure thing. If some effect is hiding a character's nature, then a Clash of Wills has to first be performed. And then the roll for Family Resemblance can happen, which gets further modified. For example, when trying to detect Kinship that's Descended from the Dark Mother (werewolves, for instance), then the werewolf's Composure gets subtracted from the roll (but I think Hishu also adds a further penalty to rolls to detect them). And if the Kinship is Fundamentally Human, then if the target isn't using any active...
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  • That sounds like something Clash of Wills is meant to resolve. The Family Resemblance power of Beast even brings that up when they're around another supernatural creature that is using a power to hide their nature.

    So this kind of comes across as wanting to have your cake and eat it too, regarding the Kinship to Princess, because it looks like you're wanting to claim Kinship when it benefits a Princess and wanting to disown Kinship when it might be detrimental to a Princess. It's confusing, especially when you make claims that you don't want to make special cases, while you're admitting...
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  • It seems contradictory to me to say that "Princesses are Kin, except when they're not". That's what my understanding is when they say "but only when Transformed". I mean, you're either Kin or you're not, whether you're Kin that's Descended From The Dark Mother or Kin that is Fundamentally Human. So how is it that a Princess is Kin, but only when Transformed?

    So yeah. That's confusing as hell....
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  • I don't really know much of anything about Princess, but when you add this stuff together, it seriously makes me wonder why you think they're Kin at all when you seem to define ways that they can't interact with Beasts as Kin.

    Why should they be Kin then?

    It's confusing, honestly....
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