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  • Astromancer
    replied to Looking for Vengeance Gods
    Nemesis was sometimes called "the lady of the apple wheel" and held a wheel made of apple wood.

    I know that there is an Hindu deity of vengeance, mainly because a 19th century anthropologist made a case that a Roma deity of Smallpox was the same deity. The Roma goddess of smallpox afflicted those that exploited outcasts or the poor with the pox. But I've long since forgotten either deity 's name.

    Note: Although I think all present day Roma in Europe are Christian, or nearly so, as late as the 19th century there were substantial non Christian non Islamic populations...
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  • Almost everyone sees themselves as the good guy. Only a very few cultures like the USA are ever seriously asked to question whether or not they actually are the good guys. Of course the Syndicate sees themselves as the heroes. They also believe that money, approached without greed, really can solve the vast majority of human problems.

    The whole science of economics tends to support the view that money is central to a good/moral society. But then economists would say that, wouldn't they?...
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  • Look at Wall Street or Thread Needle Street in the late 1920s. The stock brokers were ferociously competitive with each other but utterly complacent about the world around them. If you had told the young fresh out of college stock brokers of 1928 that before they were of retirement age that the great European colonial empires would fade like dew, that Jim Crow would be broken in America, that an African American would sit on the Supreme Court, and men would walk on the moon, they would have seen you as a fool. Landing on the moon would have been by far the most credible thing you would have said....
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  • Astromancer
    replied to Siochain
    As I read the material on Siochain my impression was that of filling a role, a mythic type. Wanderer, Sage, Witch, Hero, Ogre, etc. With the balance being between the role and the individual. Picture taking the role of Wizard as depicted in post Enlightenment children's literature. Figures like Oz, T.H.White's Merlin, or most regenerations of the Doctor. Oz is definitely Unseelie, and from time to time the Doctor is too. (Unseelie doesn't equal evil nor does Seelie equal good). The balance would be between the role of mentor/tester and having a life
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  • I'll buy it if I am not broke.
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  • George Bailey (make Clarence his avatar) would make an excellent good guy in the Syndicate. George was all about making the money system work for ordinary people. He even explains to Potter why he does what he does.

    Kant's Handelsgeist (the spirit of peaceful and mutually beneficial trade) would be a basic paradigm for heroic Syndicate members.

    In fact they might say the Handelsgeist is the weaver, the Money Queen (the spirit of the excitements and pleasures of riches) is the wild, and that Mammon (the arch devil of greed) is the wyrm. But that might be to W:tA for ...
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  • Having read Christopher Hitchens' "Why Orwell Matters" I'd suggest that Eric Blair (who Hitchens points out was right on the evils of Fascism, Stalinism, and Imperialism) recognized the basic similarities between the three. Death Camp, Gulag, or colonial administrator, it was all about some people being used for the benefit of other people in brutal and destructive ways. Orwell demonstrated the connections many times. I think you mistake Orwell's deep commitment to democratic socialism for being soft on Stalinism. Most copies of either "Animal Farm" or "1984" make...
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  • That there was a "Jack the Ripper" yes. Precisely who they were no.

    By the way, the "Jill the Ripper" theory was around during the original murders.

    But what was her motivation for the murder of a few down on their luck prostitutes HorizonParty2021?...
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    Last edited by Astromancer; 06-10-2022, 02:49 PM.

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  • Astromancer
    replied to Crystal Prison?
    Something to remember about Vamps. Vampires have no body heat. The Crystal Prison could conceivably paralyze a Vampire by cold as well as simply pinning them down.
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  • Astromancer
    replied to Enchanting a song
    It seems to me that both Dogstar and Dataweaver have misinterpreted Argonot. "A feeling that magic is possible," isn't awakening and it's not vulgar either. Totally non magical (in the sense of not involving magical energies) things can create that feeling. A song that invokes a strong emotional response isn't vulgar magic, it's good art.

    Argonot 's singer wants to help people be open to wonder, not shoehorned into a new paradigm. I suggest not using cannons to swat flies.
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  • That sounds seriously useful....
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  • Astromancer
    replied to The Serpent Bracelet
    I'll be posting more on this thread soon.
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  • One thing that would help a lot is far less about Western evil and far more about ways Victorian society was simply different. China in this period is going through hell, but there was never anything about China's future fate that was set in stone. Dealing with China's distinctive culture and social values and how that effects your Mage is a million times more useful than rehashing the Opium Wars.

    Just saying "White Man Bad" a thousand times doesn't tell anyone about why explorers went into vast wildernesses. Slamming examples of "White Savior Syndrome" won't...
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  • Astromancer
    replied to Enchanting a song
    For a song, or more likely a cycle of songs to be a Primer, the person who has to learn the songs and perform them might awaken. They'd be actively engaged with the song cycle on many different levels. Primers, to be effective require active engagement. Thus books or video games could be Primers, but films can't. Films, paintings, songs, albums, can all be great art. But they can't be Primers.

    That's not to say songs can't change minds. But for a Primer to work, you have to alter your own mind. In studying a book, or playing a video game, you're engaged actively with the work of art....
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    Last edited by Astromancer; 06-02-2022, 09:01 PM.

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  • Astromancer
    replied to Enchanting a song
    A song can't be a Primer, and a Primer is meant to cause Awakening. The way songs and music are experienced is to passive to be a Primer.

    Now, Argonot said the the singer wants the listener to feel magic is possible. Many people believe magic is possible who aren't mages. This sounds more like a job for a conjunctional rote of Mind and Prime. You're trying to promote the idea that magic is possible on an emotional level. However, Dataweaver is right about needing tons of successes in Performance and I'd add craft (song).
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