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  • Astromancer
    replied to Esotericism in Scion
    I'll have to find the title. It's from a book on Hermetic thought in the 16th and 17th centuries. I've got a reference to the book in my Amazon que. I once owned a copy. And it is likely I've made a misspelling....
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  • Astromancer
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    Deities like Athena or Osun would become aware quickly. But not all Mythic deities are that quick on the uptake....
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  • Astromancer
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    The concept of the teraphim in occult lore would make for interesting role-playing set ups. A "teraphim" (and I am likely to have that misspelled) was called "godmaking." Teraphim are supposed to be objects that are a part of the Soul of a deity. The concept is related to but distinct from the idea of the Avatar in Hindu lore.

    With a Teraphim you can freely access part of a deity's power without their cooperation. A Teraphim and/or an understanding of its construction or form gives either power over a god or a deep/ unique understanding of the God the Teraphim...
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  • Perhaps we could do something on the Canaanite and Arabian pantheons and the Abrahamic factions that took them over. Perhaps even deal with those that still resent the forced merger....
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  • Astromancer
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    Given this world is mythopoetic, and poems and myths work when they work, and when it works it works, I have to conclude you're right....
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  • Astromancer
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    Multiple groups might struggle to control an Esoteric movement or share the movement while they pursue different goals.
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  • Astromancer
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    I am going to burst your bubble here. Many cultures that are hostile to each other have engaged in cultural exchange. Take England and France, how many wars have they had? But cultural exchange between the two is always highest during times of conflict. Look at the Arab lands and Europe. On Thursday when you sit down to dinner note that the whole business of sitting in chairs is an Arab custom. As is desert for that matter.

    The Arabs were neither friendly with the Hindus nor the Europeans, but they transmitted the numbers we call "Arabic" from India to Europe. Although that...
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  • Astromancer
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    Which is the view of the second goddess. The first goddess ( need to research and find a good pair) seeks to make certain Native American ideas, ideals, and values, a part of the wider culture. She sees what she wants to do as cultural exchange. Her opponent sees it as cultural appropriation. This deeply offends the first goddess. Her reasoning is that every other group of people in history has been engaged in cultural exchange since history has been recorded, why are the groups of people she cares about excluded? To her denying the right of cultural exchange looks like saying Americans of all...
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  • Astromancer
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    Try this idea. Two gods from different Native American pantheons with incompatible objectives. Say one goddess thinks that the "New Age" movement can be high-jacked to weave Native American culture and values into the broader American culture and society. In her culture initiation made you a member of the group and her scram is "If you can't beat them get them to join you!"

    Meanwhile, another goddess wants to kill file the "New Age" movement. She sees the appropriation of Native American customs, tropes, practices, and more as theft. In her culture birth...
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  • Astromancer
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    The Orphic cults certainly promoted the idea by the time of the major Greek dramaists. I know that some Hindi cults (I don't know if they'd be called Hindu) promoted the idea by the Third Century AD. Some Greeks, for what that's worth, said the Druids taught this. It was claimed by some Greeks for the island near the place where the Red Sea meets the Indian Ocean. Again, to be taken with salt. I'd need a good University library to go further....
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  • Astromancer
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    Myself, I prefer the Neoplatonic take on sorcerers. Basically, all humans have a spark of divinity within them. Mages are those that learn to access that divinity. Mage: the Ascension pretty much went with this idea, the term Avatar being used to describe the internal spark of divinity. Many mythologies express similar ideas, others are extremely bitter toward sorcery of any kind. I would prefer a choppy, culturally determined, attitude of the gods toward sorcerors and sorcery....
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  • Astromancer
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    By the way, Merovingian descendants aren't rare. I'm one for example. Most people in Northwest Europe, Spain, Portugal, the British Isles, Australia, New Zealand, or the Americas, have a pretty solid chance of being Merovingian descendants. Trust me, the Merovingians got around and slept around....
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  • Astromancer
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    I'd say a mediocre thriller took conspiracy theories that had been around and made use of them to make money. But the conspiracies Brown used have been around for a while. They predate the radio, but probably aren't as old as the French Revolution....
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  • Astromancer
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    As many traditions of esoteric thought held magic either came from a spark of divinity inherent in all humans or from a human achieving qualities of divinity, there need to be paths for Sorcerers without divine parents or patrons to achieve godhood or at least Demigod status.

    Heck even Medieval Arthurian texts described both Merlin and Morgaine le Fay as mortals that became gods or were at least mistaken for deities.
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  • Astromancer
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    You are wise in your generation....
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  • Agreed, Centaurs as Adhene allows them to be in the modern setting. The sheer popularly of Centaurs in modern fantasy fiction and fantasy RPGs gives Centaurs strong hooks in the dreaming. She who must not be named, mainly because she's an obnoxious turf, certainly gave Centaurs a boost in her books. After all, the woman is immoral, not a bad writer.
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  • Astromancer
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    Fun fact, the Tarot is of Christian origin. It was used as a portable concealable preaching aid. Any Theoi or Netjer involvement is post 1800AD. The first major claims for the occult power of the Tarot cards comes with the first phases of the 19th century Occult Revival in Paris.

    Now the Occult Revivals of the 19th century is juicy gaming territory.
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  • Mages are on paths of becoming and transformation. So it seems to me they'll start out at some human point and keep changing. Mind 1 or Spirit 1 would change how you see people. Take the example of the Appearance 3 Waitress, maybe as an awakened mage I can see the truth of her heart. Maybe I now know her real beauty and wouldn't trade an hour with her for all the attentions of Helen of Troy and fifty like her.

    If as a Mage, I am as aware of souls and minds as bodies, perhaps my sexual choices and preferences would make little sense to outside observers, even other mages.
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  • Astromancer
    replied to Any Idea for better Tuatha Titans?
    With Titans, does there need to be a difference? Consider the myriad forms titans took in 1e. A being that is all you list and many nasty things besides is a perfectly valid titan.

    Cool idea Kyman201....
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  • Astromancer
    replied to Any Idea for better Tuatha Titans?
    My goal wasn't to whitewash history, just to come up with a titan that fits Irish literature and satiric tradition. Personification was a common feature of Irish literature especially the formal poetic satire tradition....
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