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  • So A) clearly you've never played with someone who isn't a fully committed gamer. My wife just doesn't have that much time to look up charms and between sessions she kinda forgets about the game so she doesn't have a clear idea of what to spend xp on when she's got it. B) Apparently you've never played with an exploitive player either because C) that's absolutely what some people would do given the chance....
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  • our group has mostly intact training times, but since we're a pretty high-paced game we've been granting 1 instant charm purchase at the end of each session where a character has earned a level-two stunt. Before we instituted this, we had a pretty big xp pileup
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Ask a question, get an answer
    I'm not in a position to find the quote as I'm in a phone, but I'm fairly certain Vance said that a good way to tell if a creature qualifies as an animal for the purposes of a lunar hunt was if it could survive as is on earth.

    All the various dinosaurs and creatures based on prehistoric animals would work, but something that flies through fog, because magic, would not....
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Ask the Devs v2
    Some discussion in the sorcerous works thread got me thinking.

    When you use a celestial or solar level working to turn someone into a unique being with powers comparable to X does that immediately unlock all of such powers?

    Like say you transform a person into the equivalent of a second circle demon. Does that mean their essence immediately jumps from 1 up to like 3-5? Can they then immediately access powers of that level?

    Or is it more like an exaltation where you still start out at ess 1 and higher level powers are unlocked through training and expe...
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  • Yeah that may have been to restrictive. Perhaps something like "each recipient gets a talisman that contains their power." is the same drug, but if it's stolen them they lose access to it. Things like that that complicates it's use but don't really reduce it...
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  • No. You are incorrect.

    It is Celestial 1 AT MINIMUM. Because a 1st circle demon is by definition a supernatural being which you explicitly cannot create at the terrestrial level.



    This isn't even a working. This is an artifact. You've described an artifact. With evocations. Probably artifact 4....
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  • I could also see a solar working on the level of "enchant this spring to grant power to all who survive drinking from it"

    The other thing is that the finesse of the project makes a big difference in result. Finesse 1 you might end up with a group that's empowered, but only ahem the sun is at full zenith or a solar exalt is at iconic anima level nearby or similar. The lower the finesse, the more caveats to the power or restrictions on its usefulness in general.

    Perhaps this burns out the mortal's life force, or each time they use the power they gain a harmless...
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  • To start with, they'd start at essence 1, like any other empowered being. The solar started at essence 1, a working should not grant ess 2 right of the bat

    I'd also link the ambition of this to the size you're talking about. Just basing it on essence isn't enough.

    Given that you can empower an individual up to second circle demon level at Celestial 3, I think it's at least reasonable to empower a group of mortals to a lesser extent. The trick is pinning down how many is reasonable.
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    Quite right, one of the perils of reading / posting on a phone with intermittent Internet. My apologies.

    I've edited my original post to reflect this.

    I'll also point out that an example of terrestrial 3 workings includes the ability of the newly created species to breed true, which is not mentioned at the T2 level. To me this was another level of differentiation between the two levels rather than implicit in the T2 level but explicit at T3...
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    The setting, on the other hand, only makes sense in the second case because your not permanently adding wing mutations to the gene pool every time you cast a T2 working to buff a minion.

    As for Rawar, nothing there mentions what level of sorcery is required. Her redness (and every other db sorcerer), can use Celestial workings, after all, and binding a neomah would still be using sorcery to reproduce....
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Climate of Creation
    I'll also point out that there's a real world difference between 'midwinter' on the calendar and when you're half way through winter.

    Solstice and equinox dates are not very well mapped to the true seasons or temperature, though this is probably more evident in some locations than others
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    Given that I'm the one who first suggested the idea of memory loss and/exaltation falling off, and that it was explicitly clear that this was not in reference to adding mutations to a person, I'd ask that you refrain from deliberately misrepresenting my point to make your own.

    Ok, I'm going to say this one more time since it seems hard to grasp.

    Mutations at T2 don't breed true.
    Creation of a new species at T3 breeds true but nothing indicate that you can use this to replicate an individual OR in any way apply this stage to an existing individual.
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Climate of Creation
    So how about this for climate in creation:

    The sun suppresses the pole it's closest to. During the summer months it passes closer to the north which reduces the effect of the pole of air and allows the pole of fire to thrive. During the winter months the opposite is true and the pole of fire is lessened while the pole of air runs rampant. Obviously this doesn't take in to account the other three poles but it's a start?
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Climate of Creation
    These are all examples of places with mild winters compared to Canada.

    Germany hardly ever sees snow and I'd be surprised that they've ever seen -50 C temperatures that we got in central Canada this winter.

    This is thanks in large part to the ocean climate and the warm ocean current flowing past.

    Latitude is not nearly as important as where your air is coming from in regards to climate....
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    Really? That's weird because I could sworn that THAT WAS AT CELESTIAL LEVEL...
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    Not from the perspective of sorcery. If anything it's less impressive than creating a human as it doesn't have sentience.

    Dangerous to humans!= more complex than humans

    You can create a human. Absolutely.

    You cannot create a human who had craft 5 and knows how to make armor and weapons. You most especially can't create a human who can use sorcery and has 5 dots in it. Because that's a slippery slope paved in bullshit.

    Slapping wings on a person != turning a person into a new species that has wings.

    I would also rule that a new...
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    What are you talking about? You keep throwing out these kinds of statements but you've never given any evidence to back them up.

    I honestly have no idea what you even mean by this....
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    I think it's somewhat problematic to ever say "this is a Celestial circle working but you can do the same thing by piling a few terrestrial workings together."

    That's just not how the workings system is set up.
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    BAHAHAHA.... Oh wait... Was that not a joke?...
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  • armyofwhispers
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    Really? Then why does it require so much more effort to do this with wyld shaping technique than simply creating mortals as blank slates?...
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