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Tip the tables into any different results than the first thread? It's not about versus but deviants don't bring anything particularly noteworthy to the discussion, given their miscellaneous and unaligned nature. Plus the Middle East isn't at the heart of supernatural interest the same way it is in oWoD, so more Sabbat presence there wouldn't really mean much....

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There's not too much different from the previous thread, oWoD side you have the Sabbat moving to the Middle East. Chronicles side you have more vampires and werewolves, mummies face time in a non-linear fashion, and Deviants, which effectively existed in oWoD as random monsters and in Chronicles before as Horrors and antagonists.

Do you find any other organizations that would tip the tables?

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You might whip one up for the Storyteller Vault.

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They're likely less fans of mages (or other things) ascending than they are of them awakening....

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Yeah but this is just an example of how the issue is politicized. Tobacco companies knew they were pandering poison, and for decades were as hindering as possible towards any attempt to prove this. And groups like the oil industries did the same. Scientists and people who came down with health issues as a direct result of their products were silenced or smeared or both, while they poured more and more money to promote the idea that people were some sort of "real man" or rebel for buying their stuff, just like the oil industries have been doing with the idea of electric cars and going...

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I usually run things in Miami, where until recently two months hadn't gone by without a murder in over 50 years. There's plenty of other places that are more or less "dangerous" but supernaturals tend to not have the fortune to live lives untouched by violence. Law enforcement obviously has a presence in these games, and there's a tendency for supernaturals and those who commonly associate with them to have a sort of nebulous legal existence that can find ways to label a murder something else. The setting's not more evil than our own world, but a backdrop of secrets and mysteries is...

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There's a common thread in many of the Chronicles games where the world was more natural, if scarier and less easy for some to understand, in the past. Over time, people (as in, the presence of humanity) seemed to have put a dent into it, altering the supernatural landscape just as much as the natural one. Whether it's the Ocean Beyond Life draining away, Pangaea disappearing into the Gauntlet, or the original rulers of Arcadia being usurped by the true fae, the remnants of these worlds seem to have to work extra hard to cling to existence.

What's more, entities have come to take...

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Plus it's not as if there aren't humans entirely willing to push the Exarch agenda without knowing it. You don't need to be Awakened to be a tyrant or crush the souls of your fellow human. You may not get Resources 8, but for a lot of the world Resources 3 is enough of a reward.

Advances in technology seems like it would be more likely to cause the rise and fall of ministries rather than put any undue stress on the Lie. Like Panopticon is such a popular idea it's almost instantly recognizable and only seems to grow more powerful with technology, while Phemian could mean anything or...

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It is, I think I got it from Orpheus.

It became basically the only way to get Dramatic Failures throughout first edition. Because generally if our group knew they had a negative dicepool they would just decide on another action. So I figured it was part of the rules, but it was just some artifact I carried over from another game. Second edition's 'choosing Dramatic Failures' is a nicer way to get them into play....

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Way long time ago I thought ones subtracted from successes.

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If a reviewer is telling you that their reviews are entirely objective they're lying to you. I'm not sure who you think is out there without any bias whatsoever but they're not reviewing games and movies.

Also I think it was here (or at least in the off-topic section of the forum) someone pointed out that reviewers do not exist to make objective views, and the occupation is designed so that you find a reviewer with views similar to your own and generally get guided to things you like. If you want to just check out reviews in general you're going to have to deal with people who don't...