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P104, 'While frenzied, the vampire does everything in her power to accomplish the Beast’s desires. She does so with immediate, forceful, and destructive abandon. If there’s someone in the way, she throws him or decks him.'

If Johnny gets in the way Johnny might get attacked. If Johnny's a touchstone, they might be able to talk the vampire down, but they wouldn't want to stand in the vampire's path while doing it....

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Ah thanks. They have a lot of terms for a group the Pentacle tries to lock down and define.

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Page 152, 'The subject of a blood ritual does not need to be present for the ritual to take effect,'

When you get the successes, it works....

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It's not the Accursed?

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Looks really fun, bet there's some real interesting viewpoints and obsessions.

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Also from Rose Bailey, though things may have changed...

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Which is why I think the Brotherhood needs an expansion. Because as it is, they're doing something that guarantees a Breaking Point, at much risk to themselves, for much less gain. And the Faithful are doing something that does not guarantee a Breaking Point, has no risk of failure, and offers permanent gains. Because even the squeamish hunter who is fine sacrificing a living humanoid but not eating them can find a cow-monster or keep going farther away from humanity until it satisfies their dietary requirements.

Just because people act irrationally doesn't mean there should be an...

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That's great to hear.

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Your growth seems to continue like normal (if slowed), but aspects of it can be anchored by kith, like how many ogres tend to be large even if they use traditional weight-loss techniques. If you've ever seen Batman the Animated Series, you have the character Baby Doll, who is sort of stuck in a small, childish form even while she ages due to systemic hypoplasia, which kept her from growing.



Or I guess more fitting for your 9-month old example, Baby Herman from Roger Rabbit.

Probably more suitable for NPCs, in that case....

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That was the definition from the Lexicon in the core book of both editions. If you don't want to call them covenants, call them whatever you want, but it's what they are. Some covenants (noted in Thousand Years of Night) stay secret because they want to, like the Body of a Nation, which originally just had five members....

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The Rite of Hecate is a rite of human sacrifice. Sure they're different acts, but from there on the Rite of Hecate is crap in comparison.

The rite is fallible, and failures can cause Bashing or Lethal Damage dependent on the target's Gnosis, but enough to kill you. You can only use it on witches (if you want to include mages, we've already had threads about the futility of hunters fighting mages), and the powers are temporary, lasting from between one day and five weeks.

The Faithful of Shulpae expands this to all monsters, so you don't even have to target humanoid things...

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What you're talking about is a covenant. While the five 'main' ones are big, a covenant is just 'a faction of Kindred who share certain political or theological beliefs,' and can be as small as a coterie....

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I think there is some about the more extreme elements of their compacts or conspiracies, but the non-core groups tend to either be 'they're good people, really' or 'they're mistaken/evil, really.'

I'd guess 'hunters gone bad' will be showcased more prominently in second edition. I always liked Mouse in the core for that, she wasn't a slasher as much as she was just overbearing and cocky. Wonder if there will be more like her, the edge cases or folks who are bad for the Vigil for other reasons....

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I think the Loyalists of Thule could use some updating. You have some nice anchors but the guilt motivation seems like it would only fit a very small niche of characters.

With the addition of the Faithful of Shulpae, the Promethean Brotherhood seems a bit underwhelming. Like if you were a member of the Brotherhood, it seems likely it's because you didn't know the Faithful of Shulpae existed, and if the Faithful wanted to convert they could just point out that they do what the Brotherhood does, but better.

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While it is a Breaking Point, you start the game at 7 because you're believed to have already joined a covenant, and being 'good' doesn't mean maintaining 10 Humanity, being independent, and never facing Breaking Points. They're a fact of (un)life, and the vampires that don't have ways to deal with them are the ones that spiral downward into draugr-dom. Covenants are basically a group-wide touchstone in the long-term. They may not keep you from facing Breaking Points, but they'll give you reasons not to become a draugr, and they all have workarounds to dealing with common vampire problems....

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Importance to humans doesn't matter to Pangeans, that's something spirits enjoy (though don't require).

Regarding the host connection, we do have at least one host that seems to be linked to an idigam, as opposed to a Pangean. Seems like there's a lot that could happen to them in their shift towards becoming spirits (or other things) that might lead them to becoming something else. Plus these are big, powerful entities with agency of their own, the idea of one of them managing to pull off some hail mary isn't really far fetched....

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I don't think you can upload attachments, you have to make them available through links. Something like (img)http://imageaddress.com/image.jpg(/img) except with brackets instead of parentheses. Or for a link to like a text document there's a Link option near the middle of the Advanced Editor where you can embed links into words like so.

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Those are some neat ideas. I'm surprised that I like more of the groups that focus on monsters I'm not normally interested in (not that I dislike them). Things like the Aided sound very nifty.

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It really looks like it's just the scenting blood range....

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It would be worth it solely for the increased ability to control the Beast, rather than being controlled by it.

You ask a lot of questions, some which might already have answers in the text. If you want to talk to people or get answers at a faster, more chatlike pace, there's a Chronicles of Darkness Discord server that has a Vampire the Requiem channel (and channels for every other game). I think you can reach it here....