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As an excerpt from the book, p123, 'Hierarch: One can travel the seven seas and the like number of continents, and she will seldom find a Hierarch who belongs to the Guardians of the Veil. The Guardians are so disliked and distrusted that achieving the popular support necessary for ascendance to the position would be a true political miracle.'

It gets more into what those situations are like, usually being about the consilium needing what the Guardians offer and are good at (namely secrecy) but also occasionally the Guardians taking control in a consilium by force. It's implied...

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Starting something soonish and the Eye has come up, so this has come up.



Have you stumbled upon any revelations? Is it a sort of 'If you see something, say something.' You definitely have a lot to go on with talking and secrets, overhearing them or being a bank for them but it's hard to see that as a ministry (which may be why they're a lesser one). Perhaps something about confession or confidentiality, hiding misdeeds behind NDAs? Or as simple as 'Everyone will know?' I have no idea. N&A has a delightful Eye prelate but e is Panopticon....

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Would you like us to report errata, or just leave it?

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Dave Brookshaw was the mage line developer and writer across the board (except for Hunter) for years, but left. Meghan Fitzgerald is the new mage developer and writer of a variety of books. They were talking about branford thought Duat was no longer a Lower Depth and it seemed to be due to a miscommunication rather than anything published (Mummy isn't even out yet).

The thread seems to have derailed.

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I think Beaten Down's just there so when, for example, John the Killer needs the Key from Jeff the Guard, but it doesn't make sense for Jeff to fight to the death. It's a quick way to end combat using the Intent rules (where you decide what your character wants out of combat) and have it given over. You do that amount of damage, Jeff is Beaten Down, and he gives John the Key.

Generally with Gauru what you use is Down and Dirty, which just means, one roll, and your goal is done. Your gauru wants to dominate? Down and Dirty. Success? Those people are hurt and dominated, but alive. Failure?...

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Feeling like I'm in the Thing whenever I'm watching a social situation.

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Yeah made by Tom Taylor, he's fantastic writer really good at surprisingly mysterious stuff.

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I get it, lots of similarly named groups out there. Was wondering if maybe writers enjoyed Dark Eras for a chance at more regional or era-oriented framing of terminology....

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Oh right, the Underworld had Lower Mysteries and Autochthonous Depths.

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Both. You're encouraged to make your own, they would be homebrew, and that's just an accepted part of the game. We even have a couple threads with them here and here, with writers and devs popping in some of their own ideas....

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Yes. Chancellor, Raptor, and Prophet Crown Attainments.

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I think the Cwn Annwn are one of the other Lower Depth-oriented legacies. They're considered left-handed and in the Left-Hand Path book. The legacy's creator found 'an in-between place, a void which was not the Abyss but could be filled by the energies of the Fallen World if an explorer was talented enough at giving form to Mana.' And the legacy seems to be mostly about turning that void into a paradise with the help of their new buddy, for 'Every member of the Legacy is host to a being of the Lower Depths.'

It is one of the mage-confined ones that as far as I can tell has no intersection...

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Effect: Your character is stunning, alarming, commanding, repulsive, threatening, charming, or otherwise worthy of attention.

You can have a massive scar down the center of your face from when someone hacked you with a flaming axe. Or you can have drank the blood of a succubus....

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Our state has a neat little indicator that informs us that, just today (well, the 30th), 18 people died of covid and 1186 new cases popped up. But they're gung ho on opening schools up in two months for some reason. And based on the federal government and incidents in other states I suspect these are numbers fiddled with that they're even higher but I wish I could be surprised that people aren't looking at the numbers given and still thinking, 'Hey that's a lot of infections, maybe we shouldn't be so hasty about opening schools or maybe we shouldn't sue the governor for ordering people to wear...

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How does this change things for you? Or more specifically when you say

The leap for me here seems to me like you were relying on Defense to just make fights last longer? Like you could give a character 10 Defense believing that they would then use 10 turns to become definitely hittable? Which would always give the benefit to the players, providing they only encountered single individuals while being parties of 3-5?

If you were using Defense as a buffer, it seems like you would just use a mix of Health and armor in exchange, depending on what the PCs are skilled in and...

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"The First Pack are monsters. Snarling, snapping, and slavering, this court of ancient werewolves follows the Great Predator in its shadow and join directly in its hunts. Some Uratha venerate them as progenitors of the species and paragons of the primal hunt — but only the eldest, fiercest Uratha would willingly go near them. The First Pack cares as little for other Uratha as Father Wolf does. Huge, warped, and savage, the First Pack are a far cry from later generations of werewolves. They have surrendered themselves so utterly to the hunt that they know nothing else."

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Is this mechanically the case? Like, are they cosmically cursed to be evil from birth, and need a ceremony to be freed from it? Or are they told by their society's leaders that they are inherently evil, and a ceremony would have to free them from it? Would the latter be better, it seems a little more realistic even if it means the goblins are basically being tricked into doing evil?...

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Yes, they were never Uratha. They were Pangaeans, which means they had physical forms that were both spirit and flesh (while not being spirits, or fleshly animals). They're weird. But after the fall of Pangaea they became spirits like all the others.

There's some similar terms scattered across the books and in first edition some were used interchangably.

But.

1. Father Wolf was Pangaean. Pangaeans are introduced in Dark Eras, specifically Sundered World, though they appear in Dark Eras 2 as well.
2. Firstborn were Pangaean children of Father Wolf, either with other entities

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The gender of spirits being more free was something people were made aware of further in second edition.

But Red Wolf has always been ahead of the curve.

In Tribes of the Moon the section on the Iron Masters gets into it, around p127.

'Iron Master stories never agree on Red Wolf’s gender. This isn’t any kind of historic revisionism spurred by the human feminist movement — Sagrim-Ur’s shifting gender shows up in the most ancient tribal legends. It serves two purposes for the tribe.'

The two purposes are reinforcing 'that even spirits close...

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No. Obviously when Storytelling I play a wide range of characters. As a player I tend to go 50/50 my gender or something else, though that's more new. Ages all over the board, tend towards young.