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[prototype00]

On the one hand, Lunars don't get Mastery and MA is always not favored, on the other hand, they get to combine every native charm with the MA charmset, its a wash I would say....

[prototype00]

Actually, it is kind of a sliding scale.

There was a combat run in the Exalted:Arena thread of Ess 2 Solar Invincible Sword Princess with all the Melee charms (so pretty much the strongest Ess 2 supernal combatant you could make) vs 3 immaculates at Ess 3, the 3 Immaculates won (one died due to 1st round alpha strike).

I like to use this as a convenient benchmark as here we can see that even if you build an absolute cleaver of a character (the strongest Ess 2 Melee combatant in the game, arguably), 3 v 1 is still going to beat you until higher essence, it would seem....

[prototype00]

Very very nice. I'd recommend Memory Drinking Meditation, so that you can also be a bit of a spy/interrogator too. Silver Pact need info on a target, just capture a stooge of his, drink his heart's blood and rifle through his most hidden secrets....

[prototype00]

Optimisation is completely not required for any builds in this thread.

Hmm, Dexterity does all right stealth and combat wise. But I don’t think any of the other attributes would be quite so well rounded. Int maybe if you focused on spellcasting. (There’s a demon for everything!)...

[prototype00]

The scuttlebutt I've seen is that it makes the Berserker Charm Tree better (since you convert penalties to bonuses in that tree)....

[prototype00]

Hmm, yeah, the mutations of Snake-Snake and Bear-Bear will probably be a bit hard to justify....

[prototype00]

Hmm, Just realized that Chimera Soul expression has a mechanical edge on Beast form Empowerment because while both charms apply their mutations to HBT, only Chimera Soul Expression applies it to your animal spirit shape.

On purpose or something for the errata form, you think?

[prototype00]

Interesting, Lunars can ignore the penalty with Argent Songbird Voice (Cha), but thats a 2m surcharge....

[prototype00]

As far as I am aware, Echolocation only exists in the Lunars Splat:

Echolocation (•••) — Innate
Prerequisite: Enhanced Sense (Hearing)
The mutant can “see” out to short range using hearing,
ignoring penalties or increased difficulties due
to blindness, darkness, poor visibility, etc. She can’t
discern color or fine detail, and solid obstructions like
walls block echolocation.
An alternative version of this mutation only functions
while submerged in water but extends to medium range.

You might be referring to...

[prototype00]

Your interpretation is Correct. The base game as written assumes that in any form that does not inherently have Echolocation, you will lose the benefits of the Echolocation mutation.

Unless Tell (which you can flavour however you want really, it doesn’t have to be Bat Ears, prominent forehead also works for a cetacean feel).

[prototype00]

Ah, then it is I who should apologize. Did not know that was what you were referring to....

[prototype00]

Even someone who has seen a Tell before and knows 100% who you are still has to make the Difficulty 7 roll to notice it. They get 3 extra dice, but Difficulty 7 is still not what I would consider "super obvious and cannot be concealed"

I mean, I would assume that not even all Exalts are masters of perceiving. (Note: Against anyone Trivial, apparently The Tell cannot be noticed at all. I.e. Even if your description of your Tell is plastered on warning posters across the entire city, anyone who does not warrant a stat block will not notice it)

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[prototype00]

Ah, beg your pardon, misunderstood. Yes, that is the case. So as far as I can figure (and based on questions asked to the devs):

1. Animal Form: Dex (or Str depending on Charms) + Brawl (its always brawl for natural weapons) + Accuracy (if your total is higher than the animals, this is +1, otherwise +0)

2. Last Warrior's Unity in Animal Form: Dex (or Str depending on Charms) + Brawl/Melee/Martial Arts (whichever fits your weapon) + Weapon accuracy bonus (varies), Tiny or Miniscule Creatures have the withering damage of the weapon limited by their base Str.

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[prototype00]

If there is a limit on damage for Wood Dragon's Claws, it's not in the spell description, and I have asked Vance if Wood Dragon's Claws worked the same in animal form as out of and he said yes... so... Go Sorcery?...

[prototype00]

I've asked this, per dev, you lose access to your unarmed attack (as a human) when you turn into an animal, as you don't have the limbs to make an unarmed attack anymore, you only have natural weapons.

There are mutations (extra limb and whatnot) that specifically say they grant you an unarmed attack, and if you take those mutations you get the unarmed attack back again, if you have it in animal form.

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Edit: Oh, should mention. Per dev, Wood Dragon’s Claw in animal form gets the full artifact accuracy bonus as well as granting you 10 base da...

[prototype00]

Oh, Neat! I've had the text for so long its basically soaked into my unconscious mind, so its refreshingly pleasant to ready about someone laying eyes on it for the first time.

Thanks ever so much!

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[prototype00]

Ah, thank you for the answer!

Just a follow up question:

For Mountainous Spirit expression where it says:

“Her natural attacks deal +3 raw withering dam-
age and add +3 Overwhelming.”

Does the overwhelming from this charm add to existing overwhelming or is it the case that it doesn’t stack as well?...

[prototype00]

Query: With regards to Claws of the Silver Moon, when it says:



Does said Overwhelming (Strength) stack with existing Overwhelming value of animals natural weapons?...

[prototype00]

That’s probably correct, if I understand right. You either have your HBT + CSE or BFE mutations and you can choose to use Shifting Beast nature if you want.



The Devs have said that that’s been in the cards for yonks (it means that if you pair Sorcery+Necromancy practitioners together, Lunars are probably better than Sids, who only get 1st circle necromancy)...

[prototype00]

Isn’t there that one charm in App that is basically “ignore all mechanics of your Tell until you go blazing”?...