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  • Well, not everyone plays it the same way though. Black Company, Berserk and Elric are inspiration fictions. Numerous pulp heroic fiction exists around characters who aren't that likeable. Looking back at myth and saga, we see Achilles of the Iliad, Outlaws of the Marsh and so forth. And many more. Some people presumably will want to play a game where they play somewhat doomed, messed-up heroes, and presumably those some people will hopefully have scope at their table to all be on the same page with this and manage it.

    Sure, we can also play it as a more R-rated and adult version of...
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  • Ghosthead
    replied to Scary scary, gender roles are scary ~
    Re, upthread idea, in terms of protein, I would guess that, specifically, differential access probably didn't matter *too* much. My reasoning there is that the limit of biological protein you might need, may not be that high to develop strength, and it may be that most societies get there in terms of pure protein amount for most members (or if they're not they're generally not for both men and women).

    Sure, yes, we can talk about apes that fairly rarely eat animal food sources and use them in kind of a "luxury goods"-alliance "show-off" kind of way, but it's worth...
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  • Ghosthead
    replied to Scary scary, gender roles are scary ~
    Apologies, increased dimorphism in Upper Paleolithic *relative to* Mesolithic->early modern periods (when more suboptimal nutrition obtained), because better nutrition then (it seems like, from height). Less so that Upper Paleolithic -> increase dimorphism relative to today.
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  • Ghosthead
    replied to Scary scary, gender roles are scary ~
    Re, strength over time, there's a typical trend of reduced strength through time (e.g. https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Central_Europe).

    But out of all the studies (usually based on Ruff's datasets) that I'm aware of, I can't remember that there are any which really suggest reduced much dimorphism (there may be small differences, but it's more like both sexes were +/-, not so much that ancient people were compressed towards less strength sexual dimorphism). ...
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  • Ghosthead
    replied to Scary scary, gender roles are scary ~
    I've heard some suggestions that sort of a myth, and that the likes of the Scythians and Mongols probably really had a substantial "commoner" population which did not fight and generally provided logistical support, than is commonly thought.

    The Mongols' could mobilize more population than many comparable agricultural populations though. IMO that really does have more to do with the facts of life before the state though, really.
    Before you have big states in play, necessarily every young man (and perhaps young women in some instances), would have to have some degree...
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  • Hmm... In the sense of literally staying at home*, well... Exalted Core is *kind* of unfriendly in its general 'tude to even scholars who want to stay in their library, compared to two-fisted action archaeologists and such. (Which I of course endorse as fully right and proper to portraying the right atmosphere of pulpy brio and "Savage Adventure"!). The old idea that in the world of Exalted, everyone should know some kung-fu etc.

    But in the sense of "Broadly have the skills thought to be typical of", even if not literally staying at home. Yes, sure absolutely....
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  • Ghosthead
    replied to A competition (Exalted in the far-future)
    I like a lot of the standard cited stuff like Banks' Culture novels and Greg Egan's stuff. There's probably much more stuff that really digs deeply into posthumanity, but I have to admit I don't read enough sci-fi any more these days, certainly not really that far future post-human subgenre that split off from space opera in the 1980s-1990s (I kind of cashed out of reading those sort of novels probably in the mid-late 2000s)....
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  • Ghosthead
    replied to A competition (Exalted in the far-future)
    I tend to think they'd remain awesome, human hearted heroes, in a setting where they probably weren't the biggest things about, but what was bigger than them was generally decidedly pretty posthuman, in ways both good and bad.

    The other alternative is you kind of cramp your posthumanism in its scale and power to not upstage the Exalted (which is pretty lame if you're *into* transhumanist sci fi), or you take Exalted far away from their genre inspirations in order to make them some vaguely Exalted shaped thing on a vastly exaggerated scale. Neither I'm too into.

    YMMV....
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  • Kind of. I mean, I love that Exalted adds "I am efficient bureaucrat to a supernatural degree" to the palette of why supernatural rulers *are* supernatural rulers.

    I am less sure that they would always be who you exactly want *in charge* relative to some sorceress who can routinely pump out all manner of magical enhancements to her country. There are lots of benefits to having that person in charge, always making the last call, always in the room as the person to please when dealing with foreign governments, that you don't get just by putting them in a subordinate role and...
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  • Ghosthead
    replied to Giving the Unconquerable Sun an excuse
    I don't think any of the up-thread suggestions are bad.

    That said, my own, very acanonical, preference is to think that the Mandate of Heaven and perhaps the consequences of banishing the Primordials required a sort of metaphysical distancing of the Sun's power to act in the world to avoid destabilizing Creation. And really that the Incarna as a whole, though particularly the Sun, as the Maidens have their excuses. The Sun must work through the Great Chain of Being of his divine bureaucracy, and his bureaucracy is sometimes unstable and unresponsive to his dictates, particularly...
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  • I love fiction so this is a good topic for me. That said, other than the core, I haven't backed and so haven't read, any of the other Ex3 books so far. Just waiting on them being published and then going to buy. So I can't assess any of the quality of fic beyond the core.

    On the core, I liked the intro fiction, for various reasons I've enumerated elsewhere (and can be found by a forum search), but mainly because it seems like it was the only fiction that really had a good understanding of how to quickly draw sympathetic and archetypal characters with enough nuance and originality...
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  • Some real world examples - https://imgur.com/a/ps1Awyv

    (Though I suspect some liberties have been taken with some of these - the last is from Gene's Wolfe's Latro sequence, and I *know* he stylized it a bit!).
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