CCP selling White Wolf & WO?? [Not actually true]

[JoeB]

Not sure if there is credence to this but found the article troubling:

http://newsbynight.net/2013/12/27/cc...rkness-mmorpg/

MOD EDIT: This was a hoax.

[AnubisXy]

After some of the things that CCP has been doing lately, I would be a litte surprised if they hadn't at least considered doing something like this.

[Cielle]

This may be heretical, but...if it's true, and if anything comes of it, I'm not sure I see it as bad news. I never liked CCP's approach to the MMO, and single-player CRPGs aren't really their specialty either.

[LordOfAsh]

This may be heretical, but...if it's true, and if anything comes of it, I'm not sure I see it as bad news. I never liked CCP's approach to the MMO, and single-player CRPGs aren't really their specialty either.

Agreed, Ive said as much in other posts in the past. I think we could easily have had one or two single player games since CCP bought white wolf. Something like bloodlines would be cool.

Shit or get off the pot

[Leaper]

'shit or get off the pot' isn't really how any of this works and it's vanishingly unlikely that there will ever be anything like a spiritual successor to bloodlines.

I don't really like mmos/care about this game, but I'm leaning towards this being 'my dad works at nintendo' since ccp has little incentive to not lay everybody associated with the project off if it's unprofitable. I don't believe they're a publicly traded company.

[Stupid Loserman]

My concern would be less for what this might mean for the World of Darkness MMO, and what, if anything, it would mean for Onyx Path's license deals with CCP over the White Wolf properties and the future of the writers involved and their vision. The source cited, after all, notes that some of the potential buyers are more interested in the tabletop side of the label than the MMO.

[Daydreamer]

My concern would be less for what this might mean for the World of Darkness MMO, and what, if anything, it would mean for Onyx Path's license deals with CCP over the White Wolf properties and the future of the writers involved and their vision. The source cited, after all, notes that some of the potential buyers are more interested in the tabletop side of the label than the MMO.

Ah shit, I hadn't thought of that until I read your post. That could be bad.

I had already lost a lot of hope for this project's completion. (Although the previews and articles about game mechanics looked very promising.) I know information from an anonymous source should be taken with a grain of salt but this story does look plausible at the very least, given how much CCP has on their plate right now.

[Fat Larry]

I've already stated my views on CCP and how much I hate them in the past, so I'll simply say this:

If true...then please, just give/sell the rights to Rich and Onyx Path so we can continue to enjoy the amazing products they've been pumping out for the past two years. The WODMMO was, in my mind, never going to amount to much. Dust 552 is a failure, and I couldn't care less about EVE.

Give the property to someone like Onyx Path who has been(and continue to do) the properties justice.

Thanks.

[Leaper]

If these rumors are true, it's unlikely that the IP will be given to Onyx Path over the highest bidder. CCP is a business, after all. Perhaps another software company like Electronic Arts or Bethesda's parent company, ZeniMax Media, would purchase the IP, as tabletop rpgs aren't exactly doing the best business nowadays.

[Fat Larry]

If these rumors are true, it's unlikely that the IP will be given to Onyx Path over the highest bidder. CCP is a business, after all. Perhaps another software company like Electronic Arts or Bethesda's parent company, ZeniMax Media, would purchase the IP, as tabletop rpgs aren't exactly doing the best business nowadays.

Maybe not. But I know that Onyx Path's Kickstarters and sales of their recent stuff(V20, W20, Exalted, Mummy, etc.) have sold extremely well. There's still money in it, if done right. If there wasn't, OP wouldn't be planning follow ups and content until 2015. Regardless, I just want to make sure the material is placed into the right hands. Onyx Path, in my opinion, are the right hands. As for the MMO? I frankly don't care.

[stylanski]

If these rumors are true, it's unlikely that the IP will be given to Onyx Path over the highest bidder. CCP is a business, after all. Perhaps another software company like Electronic Arts or Bethesda's parent company, ZeniMax Media, would purchase the IP, as tabletop rpgs aren't exactly doing the best business nowadays.

I actually had the same concern with Stupid Loserman but thought mentioning it wouldn't be appropriate, given the lack of credibility anonymous sources tend to have. What's interesting though, is this: "some of the potential buyers are not involved in making video games, and are only interested in the pen-&-paper RPG side of the studio".

[Mr Gone]

I'm not shocked by this news really, with every thing thats happened. My concern would be what happens to the OPPs rights to publish the RPGs. Will whoever buys WoD still want to honor that deal?

[Odd_Canuck]

Maybe not. But I know that Onyx Path's Kickstarters and sales of their recent stuff(V20, W20, Exalted, Mummy, etc.) have sold extremely well. There's still money in it, if done right. If there wasn't, OP wouldn't be planning follow ups and content until 2015. Regardless, I just want to make sure the material is placed into the right hands. Onyx Path, in my opinion, are the right hands. As for the MMO? I frankly don't care.

It's the difference between a bunch of kids clubbing together their allowance to "buy" the candy store vs a serious offer. The Ex3 kickstarter was one of the largest and most profitable RPG kickstarters in history, and it didn't even clear a million in sales, let alone profit. In it's current development CCP is sinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 million a *year* into the project. So if it does sell off the WW property and all associated rights, it's going to be for a serious chunk of money, not the kind of chump change the table top industry sees.

That aside... does atari still own the video game rights, or have those gone back? Because selling off the ability to make some new vampire games (and others) that are not MMOs? That could actually be a property worth something.

[Fat Larry]

I'm not shocked by this news really, with every thing thats happened. My concern would be what happens to the OPPs rights to publish the RPGs. Will whoever buys WoD still want to honor that deal?

I sure as hell hope so. Onyx Path's Mage 20th, Wraith 20th, Exalted supplements, future Vampire and Werewolf supplements all rely on it!

[Tiresias]

It's more likely that those jobs were cut because they were no longer necessary at the current development stage of the MMO.

Plus, as I understand it, CCP merged with White Wolf entirely, so selling White Wolf would require splitting the company, which would probably be a legal nightmare. On top of that, if Onyx Path was able to buy Scion and Trinity, the lines can't be worth that much money. If CCP is really desperate for a massive infusion of cash, there's no way selling White Wolf would cover it.