Paradox Interactive (the Crusader Kings people, not the Conan/Mutant Chronicles ones) buy the White Wolf properties [Merged x10]

[Santino]

Ex3 was my first Kickstarter and I had no idea that it would take 2.5 years to see any return on my investment; that's why I was hesitant to contribute to getting a Deluxe CB20. But I'm so glad I did; it's going to be awesome to get the Deluxe Ex3 book. Not to mention that I was very pleasantly surprised to see my Deluxe CB20 arrive when it did; I thought it would take alot longer since my only previous experience with Kickstarter was the Ex3 KS. Now I know better than to use Ex3 KS as a basis of comparison for other Kickstarters.

Not that I mind Ex3 taking so long if that's whats required to get a truly exceptional quality book, of course. I have no complaints with what Holden and the rest of the crew have done so far. And I know they've been busting their asses to make Ex3 as good as it can be so I'm not gonna rag on them.

There were mistakes made, illness and just about everything that could go wrong did at one point or another. I think the fact alot of the KS's came out as smooth as they did is they are built on the mistakes made with Ex3, and while yeah they took time its a beautiful product. Ive had pretty darn good turn around on KS's my only sadness is i dont have a backer edition of M20 coming because i was piss poor broke and needed to be an adult when the KS was going on.

[Santino]

Also not going to name names or forums but I've seen a few savagely butthurt guys trying to rally together e-mails or petitions to Paradox for the express purpose of getting them to boot out Holden and Morke at the earliest legally possible opportunity even if they take the rest of OPP.

My response is F those people >.> they promised a labor of love, and i consider it delivered. Im sort of very much on the opposite side of the fence with I'm sending emails telling them to keep the people in Onyx Path (particularly the Exalted Crew, and M20/W20 folks)

[Santino]

I guess it's just the usual edition war hating going on. I mean, let's be honest, how much nerd rage does the transition of D&D editions generate? I know 4e generated quite alot. (I think 4e is fine; would have been better received if it wasn't supposed to be a D&D edition) Yeah, there's probably people who were kind of bitter about cWoD's cancelation... even after all this long.


Also, funny you should mention dystopian scifi as my one of my goals is to throw as much scifi into nWoD as I could...

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with 4E, its a different sort and cup of tea, and at the time I can understand why Owod got cancelled however after that point the only thing from White Wolf that garnered money from me was Exalted and Scion...besides giving in for each of the NWOD cores and deciding its not for me.

[Ryu]

Well at least Paradox knows what it means to have an active, opinionated fanbase, so they won't lose their shit just because some people go overboard, pretty sure they expected a certain amount of backlash.

Even then i have to say. Currently it is unnecessary backlash. And vompletely at that as currently none of us have any idea what they are planing. When we know that and ppl voice opinions positive/negative then ok. But so tje problem is that it can lead to them overlooking genuine concern when the plans are known. As currently the image tjey must get of our community nust vbe a pretty negative one. Which isnt true. Bonly ppl panickinh is the problem and already voicing negativity without any facts known.

But guess that always happens with overtakes ^^'

[Delta]

In any other situation i would find those rants funny. But with op /ww/paragon still talking that could have side effects.

Well at least Paradox knows what it means to have an active, opinionated fanbase, so they won't lose their shit just because some people go overboard, pretty sure they expected a certain amount of backlash.

[Ryu]

As for some rantings. Saw a handful ranting quite loud against op on the paradox forums.....almost exclusively exalted related those say though that paradox shall kick op.

Interestingly those same have a few wuite interesting ideas about schedules like firing artists,... Innediately if they fail a schedule.

In any other situation i would find those rants funny. But with op /ww/paragon still talking that could have side effects.

As for finding it funny normally: from all the artists inknow only 1 ever met schrdules. All others missed them. Programmers. The same. Only a few manahe to meet schedules. Bat least freelancers.

I myself am a programmer too and sometimes regardless what you do a schedule is just not doable as problems stacked up. Thus if you fire everyone after not meeting schedules regardless of reasons. You are a boss without ppl to work with . That is why i find such comments amusing normally


Talking there about computer game projects btw.

[Eurhetemec]

Just so that, as an outsider could understand a bit more in context, just how much ofExalted 2e is inside of 3e? Just how extensive was the system redesign say in comparison to 3e to 4e D&D?

The 3E to 4E change is a good comparison in terms of mechanical change/re-working. Like the 3E-4E change with D&D, a huge amount of work has gone into the math and ensuring stuff actually works (which didn't happen with 1E/2E Exalted), and the combat system is fundamentally different and moved from a sort of vague simulationism to a tightly-designed tactical system with a cinematic flair.

[IanWatson]

the map has had a lot of new bits added to it

Third Edition's map vs. Second Edition's

[IanWatson]

Storypath is Onyx Path's system. Exalted is still a White Wolf game. Using Storypath for Exalted starts wading into complicated waters over exactly who owns what. We'd rather avoid that.

Besides which, Exalted's core system was largely done before the bulk of the work on Storypath got started, so unless people wanted even more delays...

[CycloneJoker]

Looking at Storypath, I would have very much preferred that as a base.

I'm looking forward to Storypath. It looks pretty clever and has a lot of potential.

[Siven]

This, yeah.

I will say that "wait, you had a chance to recreate Exalted as a "modern" rules-lite game, and you didn't go for it?" is one of the criticisms I've heard that, while I don't quite agree with, I actually have a bit of sympathy for as I have several friends who greatly prefer rules-lite. (I'm actually planning to use Ex3 as an introduction to crunchier gaming for some)

Looking at Storypath, I would have very much preferred that as a base.

[CycloneJoker]

Nope, it only covers one in-depth, the Solars. The depth of the system is why it has so many Charms.

This, yeah.

I will say that "wait, you had a chance to recreate Exalted as a "modern" rules-lite game, and you didn't go for it?" is one of the criticisms I've heard that, while I don't quite agree with, I actually have a bit of sympathy for as I have several friends who greatly prefer rules-lite. (I'm actually planning to use Ex3 as an introduction to crunchier gaming for some)

[marin]

Well, now we all know why it took 2.5 years.

I'm guessing it's got all of the major splats in a single book?

Nope, it only covers one in-depth, the Solars. The depth of the system is why it has so many Charms.

[Resplendent Fire]

Well, now we all know why it took 2.5 years.

I'm guessing it's got all of the major splats in a single book?

Nope, just Solars. It addresses Dragon-Blooded, Lunars, Sidereals, Abyssals, Liminals, and Exigents, though.

[Ashenrogue]

It's not simple in the sense of being rules-lite; there's still a lot of depth and crunch to be had. I will say however that I feel it is easier to grasp than previously, and it flows much smoother. The perhaps scariest bit of Ex3 is that it has a truly colossal number of Charms.

Then I'll be sure to check it out once it becomes a thing.