Paradox Interactive (the Crusader Kings people, not the Conan/Mutant Chronicles ones) buy the White Wolf properties [Merged x10]

[Almarck]

It's not simple in the sense of being rules-lite; there's still a lot of depth and crunch to be had. I will say however that I feel it is easier to grasp than previously, and it flows much smoother. The perhaps scariest bit of Ex3 is that it has a truly colossal number of Charms.

Well, now we all know why it took 2.5 years.

I'm guessing it's got all of the major splats in a single book?

[CycloneJoker]

It's not simple in the sense of being rules-lite; there's still a lot of depth and crunch to be had. I will say however that I feel it is easier to grasp than previously, and it flows much smoother. The perhaps scariest bit of Ex3 is that it has a truly colossal number of Charms.

[Ashenrogue]

So has Ex3 moved closer to, say. nWoD, in terms of base mechanics and structure? Has it been simplified at all? Because I know I tried at one point to get into Exalted, looked at the system, and said 'nope, maybe later'. Just wondering if this might be the time to try jumping aboard again.

[Odd_Canuck]

Most of what was kept was the very fundamentals... it's still a dice pool, it still uses d10's, it still defaults to counting successes the same way, and the general attributes and abilities still mostly have the same names.

Pretty much everything else was changed.

Scion 1e has a lot more in common mechanically with Ex2 than Ex2 does with Ex3.

[CycloneJoker]

Just so that, as an outsider could understand a bit more in context, just how much ofExalted 2e is inside of 3e? Just how extensive was the system redesign say in comparison to 3e to 4e D&D?

It's a pretty big paradigm shift. Combat resolution is completely different, social combat got replaced with a much more sensible social influence system, the map has had a lot of new bits added to it, mass combats work within the normal combat engine without fucking things in the ear...it's a pretty massive overhaul of the game.

[HeadClot]

I feel this comic is relevant since certain people have blown gaskets without having all the facts over on the paradox forums...
Either way - I really hope that Onyx path keeps the publishing rights to the various White Wolf properties.

Hope you guys - have a laugh

[Almarck]

Ex3 was my first Kickstarter and I had no idea that it would take 2.5 years to see any return on my investment; that's why I was hesitant to contribute to getting a Deluxe CB20. But I'm so glad I did; it's going to be awesome to get the Deluxe Ex3 book. Not to mention that I was very pleasantly surprised to see my Deluxe CB20 arrive when it did; I thought it would take alot longer since my only previous experience with Kickstarter was the Ex3 KS. Now I know better than to use Ex3 KS as a basis of comparison for other Kickstarters.

Not that I mind Ex3 taking so long if that's whats required to get a truly exceptional quality book, of course. I have no complaints with what Holden and the rest of the crew have done so far. And I know they've been busting their asses to make Ex3 as good as it can be so I'm not gonna rag on them.

Just so that, as an outsider could understand a bit more in context, just how much ofExalted 2e is inside of 3e? Just how extensive was the system redesign say in comparison to 3e to 4e D&D?

[Su-tehp]

Ex3 was my first Kickstarter and I had no idea that it would take 2.5 years to see any return on my investment; that's why I was hesitant to contribute to getting a Deluxe CB20. But I'm so glad I did; it's going to be awesome to get the Deluxe Ex3 book. Not to mention that I was very pleasantly surprised to see my Deluxe CB20 arrive when it did; I thought it would take alot longer since my only previous experience with Kickstarter was the Ex3 KS. Now I know better than to use Ex3 KS as a basis of comparison for other Kickstarters.

Not that I mind Ex3 taking so long if that's whats required to get a truly exceptional quality book, of course. I have no complaints with what Holden and the rest of the crew have done so far. And I know they've been busting their asses to make Ex3 as good as it can be so I'm not gonna rag on them.

[Resplendent Fire]

Vaguely worded complaints about how the Exalted developers talk to the fans, also.

[CycloneJoker]

.... Okay, now I am really wondering; what makes them single out those two out of everyone else? I mean, I get anonymity and all, but what's the big deal?

Various degrees of excessive anger over the delays in Exalted and/or the Kickstarter.

[Almarck]

Also not going to name names or forums but I've seen a few savagely butthurt guys trying to rally together e-mails or petitions to Paradox for the express purpose of getting them to boot out Holden and Morke at the earliest legally possible opportunity even if they take the rest of OPP.

.... Okay, now I am really wondering; what makes them single out those two out of everyone else? I mean, I get anonymity and all, but what's the big deal?

[CycloneJoker]

Also not going to name names or forums but I've seen a few savagely butthurt guys trying to rally together e-mails or petitions to Paradox for the express purpose of getting them to boot out Holden and Morke at the earliest legally possible opportunity even if they take the rest of OPP.

[Almarck]

Yeah, I haven't seen any of these supposed NWoD haters either. I'm not saying they definitively don't exist, but it just seems like a humongous waste of protein to so despise NWoD to want it seen burned to the ground. Hell, back in 2004, when CWoD ended and was replaced by NWoD, I didn't want to see the NWoD utterly destroyed, I was just like "meh, if people wanna play it, more power to them, but it ain't my bag."

I mean, jeez, what am I gonna do? Join the White Wolf Gestapo, fuel up my flamethrower and start doing home invasions of people playing NWoD games like something out of Fahrenheit 451? That's totally ridiculous! C'mon, we're talking about fantasy horror! Classic dystopian sci-fi is three genres down and two across from here! I'm too lazy to lug a flamethrower that far!

I guess it's just the usual edition war hating going on. I mean, let's be honest, how much nerd rage does the transition of D&D editions generate? I know 4e generated quite alot. (I think 4e is fine; would have been better received if it wasn't supposed to be a D&D edition) Yeah, there's probably people who were kind of bitter about cWoD's cancelation... even after all this long.


Also, funny you should mention dystopian scifi as my one of my goals is to throw as much scifi into nWoD as I could...

[Resplendent Fire]

To be fair it's a minority. Sorry if it seems like I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, just wanted to express a little frustration.

[Su-tehp]

I think the thing I find most strange about this are the people who seem to be drooling over the prospect of Onyx Path possibly losing the WW licenses, and seeing the Paradox purchase as a validation of their hatred for nWoD.

Okay I've only seen a few of those, but they're really not helping.

Where are you seeing these people?

Also, why? I mean, there's reasons to hate other editions, but come on, Onyx Path does print out classic material for the crowd who wants it. Material that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Yeah, I haven't seen any of these supposed NWoD haters either. I'm not saying they definitively don't exist, but it just seems like a humongous waste of protein to so despise NWoD to want it seen burned to the ground. Hell, back in 2004, when CWoD ended and was replaced by NWoD, I didn't want to see the NWoD utterly destroyed, I was just like "meh, if people wanna play it, more power to them, but it ain't my bag."

I mean, jeez, what am I gonna do? Join the White Wolf Gestapo, fuel up my flamethrower and start doing home invasions of people playing NWoD games like something out of Fahrenheit 451? That's totally ridiculous! C'mon, we're talking about fantasy horror! Classic dystopian sci-fi is three genres down and two across from here! I'm too lazy to lug a flamethrower that far!