Paradox Interactive (the Crusader Kings people, not the Conan/Mutant Chronicles ones) buy the White Wolf properties [Merged x10]

[nofather]

The video games likely skew results as well.

[Ephsy]

Well, a Google Trends examination on the popularity of Requiem and Masquerade shows that Requiem has enjoyed much success in the States, but little anywhere else, when compared to its predecessor.

That's because it hasn't been nearly as translated as Masquerade was.

[stylanski]

A small and vocal minority would cry murder if they did.

Well, a Google Trends examination on the popularity of Requiem and Masquerade shows that Requiem has enjoyed much success in the States, but little anywhere else, when compared to its predecessor.

[Mr Gone]

A small and vocal minority would cry murder if they did.

Probably...yea...

[haren]

A small and vocal minority would cry murder if they did.

I've known people who would have probably been in that minority. They kinda were edition warrior sorts... CoD was not WoD, so it must be all that is bad. Each has their own charm, and it's a different thing entirely (part of the reason I'm glad the namechange).

[Ephsy]

Honestly, I'm not sure why they don't just go with the C of D system, other than the fact they feel like they have to leave their mark on it or something.

A small and vocal minority would cry murder if they did.

[Mr Gone]

Yes, they are looking to update game mechanics based on the few different pieces I've read. Notice Martin also mentions that official WW larps won't be using BNS's rules either. I'm ok with that, as long as it doesn't get too simulationist with lots of charts and graphs to reference while playing. I was a hardcore DnD 2e player when I first saw the storyteller system and I'd like to get the same feeling from 4e WoD material as I got from seeing the 1e system. Meaning I want it to be something I'd actively like to use, not see it as "ughh, not another new system to wrap my head around". As an example I love the Warhammer 40k rpg setting, but I would have a hard time adjusting to that game's rules system and I hope WoD4th stays away from that model.

Totally with you. Plus, I just don't seem to have the drive to learn a totally new system. I like things to be simple these days... I mean, I always have, but you know what I mean.

Sure it works. It does for me too. Still, in over 20 years, there's stuff that you can add to the system to make it smoother, easier to run or overall, simpler. Changing an attack into a single dice-roll when CofD came out, instead of the potential 4 it was initially was huge for me. And don't get me started on multiple actions.

Honestly, I'm not sure why they don't just go with the C of D system, other than the fact they feel like they have to leave their mark on it or something.

[Ephsy]

True, it (WoD) is pretty old. But, it still works for me. Maybe I'm old and set in my ways, but I just don't have too many issues with it...

Sure it works. It does for me too. Still, in over 20 years, there's stuff that you can add to the system to make it smoother, easier to run or overall, simpler. Changing an attack into a single dice-roll when CofD came out, instead of the potential 4 it was initially was huge for me. And don't get me started on multiple actions.

[Darksider]

Just to slightly weigh in...that guys comments were kind of off putting to me as a Classic WoD fan, and as someone who can appreciate the NWoD. Plus, he didn't come off as very respectful to those who have been working hard on NWoD(now C of D I guess).

The one thing in his statement that really bothered me was this:


Does this mean the new White Wolf will be changing the system?

Yes, they are looking to update game mechanics based on the few different pieces I've read. Notice Martin also mentions that official WW larps won't be using BNS's rules either. I'm ok with that, as long as it doesn't get too simulationist with lots of charts and graphs to reference while playing. I was a hardcore DnD 2e player when I first saw the storyteller system and I'd like to get the same feeling from 4e WoD material as I got from seeing the 1e system. Meaning I want it to be something I'd actively like to use, not see it as "ughh, not another new system to wrap my head around". As an example I love the Warhammer 40k rpg setting, but I would have a hard time adjusting to that game's rules system and I hope WoD4th stays away from that model.

[Mr Gone]

I think it makes sense to me. I even have a concrete example:

I love Call of Cthulhu, and have for as long as I've known it was an RPG.

...and then I joined up with some friends that were running a game of Call of Cthulhu, and found that they were using the d20 version. The differences in game play caused by adhering to the d20 system architecture completely spoiled the entire feel of the game, I couldn't even build the character I envisioned despite that it would have been no issue to build said character in the non-d20 version of the game. And then my character, as shockingly incompetent as he seemed because of systematic differences, was struck by some eldritch terror and survived with no lasting harm where I knew that had the same strike landed in the non-d20 system it would have assuredly left lasting impact if not resulting in immediate, and expected, death.

Ug...sorry to hear that. Yea, it always seems weird to me when a game switches systems like that. It's just too jarring...

So yeah, there is definitely room for too drastic of a change - I just force myself to hope that changes made will have pleasant results, rather than worry that they will be unpleasant.

Thats a good point!

To be honest, WoD could definitively use some streamlining, system-wise. Revised is how old, by now?

True, it is pretty old. But, it still works for me. Maybe I'm old and set in my ways, but I just don't have too many issues with it...

[Drake]

To be honest, WoD could definitively use some streamlining, system-wise. Revised is how old, by now?

~18 years, but really since revised is just minor alterations on the original system or rules the WoD rule-system has been in use without (what I consider) major changes for more like 25 years.

[Ephsy]

To be honest, WoD could definitively use some streamlining, system-wise. Revised is how old, by now?

[Drake]

I'm totally with you...basically. The ST system has been such a part of my gaming life, that while I don't mind tweaks(ala NWoD or the 20th anniversary edition stuff), I'm afraid they're going to drastically overhaul it, which would kind of take me out of it. If that makes sense...

I guess what I'm saying is, they want to update it further(like NWoD did), then I'd be ok with it. But a drastic system overhaul might ruin it for me. That said, I have gamed in years at this point, so it really doesn't matter if I like it or not. Just my knee jerk reaction.

I think it makes sense to me. I even have a concrete example:

I love Call of Cthulhu, and have for as long as I've known it was an RPG.

...and then I joined up with some friends that were running a game of Call of Cthulhu, and found that they were using the d20 version. The differences in game play caused by adhering to the d20 system architecture completely spoiled the entire feel of the game, I couldn't even build the character I envisioned despite that it would have been no issue to build said character in the non-d20 version of the game. And then my character, as shockingly incompetent as he seemed because of systematic differences, was struck by some eldritch terror and survived with no lasting harm where I knew that had the same strike landed in the non-d20 system it would have assuredly left lasting impact if not resulting in immediate, and expected, death.

So yeah, there is definitely room for too drastic of a change - I just force myself to hope that changes made will have pleasant results, rather than worry that they will be unpleasant.

[Mr Gone]

Something that could be fun on the other hand be fun is more one off books like GURPS wod and D20 wod (monte cook) where. Say FATE WOD, BRP WOD and such. Experimentation.

I'll only accept Risus WoD. :P Hee hee...

The Gurps one was ok, never got into the Monte Cook one though....but I'm not a big D20 fan...

[Palp]

I'm totally with you...basically. The ST system has been such a part of my gaming life, that while I don't mind tweaks(ala NWoD or the 20th anniversary edition stuff), I'm afraid they're going to drastically overhaul it, which would kind of take me out of it. If that makes sense...

I guess what I'm saying is, they want to update it further(like NWoD did), then I'd be ok with it. But a drastic system overhaul might ruin it for me. That said, I have gamed in years at this point, so it really doesn't matter if I like it or not. Just my knee jerk reaction.

Something that could be fun on the other hand be fun is more one off books like GURPS wod and D20 wod (monte cook) where. Say FATE WOD, BRP WOD and such. Experimentation.