Exalted Shop Prices - Manacle and Coin 3rd edition

[Rahod]

So a while back we had a book Manacle and Coin which had all the listed avg prices. So I have started to rebuild this for 3rd Edition and need an extra pair of eyes to help me adjust the cost since a few things have changed with the money systems and cost of items. Please let me know if you see something that should be adjusted.

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[Sith_Happens]

Oh... Wow. Most of these are at least one order of magnitude off from how much jade and silver are worth in 3e.

[light-hero]

So a while back we had a book Manacle and Coin which had all the listed avg prices. So I have started to rebuild this for 3rd Edition and need an extra pair of eyes to help me adjust the cost since a few things have changed with the money systems and cost of items. Please let me know if you see something that should be adjusted.

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Just saw this. I was going to do this myself at Some point. Wish u all Luck. If i get time to Help i Will so what i can

[The Unsung Hero]

Oh... Wow. Most of these are at least one order of magnitude off from how much jade and silver are worth in 3e.

Yes, but in which direction?

[Sith_Happens]

Yes, but in which direction?

High. An obol is not what a single night at an inn costs, it's what the innkeeper earns in half a year.

[Eldagusto]

Room at an inn shouldn't cost that much, or only rich folks would stay at inns, when Peasants could cloth their whole families for the cost of one person spending one night at a shabby inn.

[Boston123]

Room at an inn shouldn't cost that much, or only rich folks would stay at inns, when Peasants could cloth their whole families for the cost of one person spending one night at a shabby inn.

Cloth is far more valuable than that.

[light-hero]

Reading some of the previous materiale it looks like realm economics was made to keep the pesants dirt poor and dynast filthy rich.

The guild break that in the threshold.

[Maudova]

I thought a jade obol was what a skilled crafts person earned in a year? Maybe it’s changed between editions, but I remember reading that in some book. Hell if I can remember where though.

[Elfive]

In 3e a Siu is what a skilled craftsman would get for "several days labour".

Assuming that averages to about 2 per week in a year said craftsman would get 120 siu.

That's a little less than one obol.

[The Unsung Hero]

In general I'm a BIG fan of a document like this, but there's obviously some feedback on the pricing. I hope that Rahod is willing and able to adjust the pricing based on it because this would be tremendously useful for my GM.

[Eldagusto]

Cloth is far more valuable than that.

That was supposed to be the point.

[KymmetheSeventh]

These tables are incredibly useful, but ultimately they're super out of whack with how currency is presented in other books. In 2e there was an incredible disconnect with now currency was priced in the big purchase tables and how currency was supposed to work within the setting of Creation.

Here is a somewhat paraphrased breakdown of how much Realm Script is supposed to be worth:

1 obol	farmer's annual earnings, after taxes
1 koku	a bit less than two month's wages for a peasant; enough to buy a new plough and oxen; enough to start a cottage industry (breeding silkworms, an apple orchard, making cheese)
1 to 2 koku	renovate a farmer's house and outbuildings or hold a comfortable wedding
3 to 4 koku	purchase an entire house with land to farm
1 qian	a week's wages for a peasant; enough to buy a dozen sheep or a few milk cows; enough to hold a feast or help to finance a new temple
1 siu	puts meat on a family's table for a week or buys a coop of chickens; feeds an extended family on feast days; buy an entire seed stock for planting fruit or nut trees
1 yen	a day's wages for an extra man at harvest time; buys a new suit of plain clothes of linen, cotton, or wool or meatless meals for a large family for a day or meat for a family dinner; buys some new farm tools or a set of pottery
half yen	feeds a childless couple for several days without meat, or a day's worth of meat for the couple
quarter yen	buys a loaf of bread, a quart of milk, a small round of cheese and a dozen eggs, or a pint of cider and a smoked fish
eighth yen	buys a berry pie or a pint of cider or wine or tea at an inn

Incidentally, Realm citizens aren't even allowed to own obols - they're basically the smallest denomination of Jade, which can only be carried by Dragon-Blooded.

Dinars, the smallest form of Silver currency, are worth around 28 qian. This means that most little peasant villages wouldn't have more than two dinars to rub together, but that makes sense to me - dinars are a merchant currency, meant to be used to purchase vast amounts of goods. It makes sense that even the smallest amount would be worth a hell of a lot.

[BrilliantRain]

It should be noted that, in small villages, people tend to trade with each other on an informal basis and, if someone is hoarding more than their share, there will be social pressure for them to cough it up.

In larger towns or cities, there will probably be a mix of that and things like running a tab or whatever and then you settle up on a seasonal basis or something, because most people don’t move. And if you need something expensive, like new clothing or boots, then you save up for it.

Anyone who doesn’t have an existing relationship with the person they’re dealing with should expect to overpay significantly, because even merchants tend to follow established trade routes over many years, and so can pay now for a one night stay each year for the next decade or something.

This makes trying to figure out price lists very complicated and highly region dependent (jewels aren’t really worth that much in Gem, or at least not nearly as much as they are in other places, for example).

[Blaque]

There's also a shift in costs from previous editions. I think a dot worth of Resources is just flat-out worth more in 3e than it was in 1e and 2e. Resources 0 I think what was Resources 1, its cales form there, which also throws a lot of the table concerns out of whack before we even get to the whole "Obol is what hte innkeeper makes in half a year, not in one night" thing.