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  • #46
    I thought House of the Bull God did a great job of giving a great many and varied black characters, but that was quite some time ago.

    One can summarize Panther into the Angry Black Man stereotype but wouldn't a similar summary of his other deeds (walking away from a wasted life, inspiring others with righteousness, being a poor traveler setting wrongs to right then refusing payment and walking on, slaying magical werewolf people, saying Christ all the time) pin him in the Magical N- stereotype? Which is like the polar opposite of the Angry Black Man? Sounds like our allegorical stereotyping logic might be at fault, not the character as written.

    In my viewpoint, the vast majority of characters of note are Dragon-Blooded, most of which are from the Realm, where most of their ancestry is Asian (but considerably mixed due to Lost Eggs). Everyone else is marginalized, because they live on the margins of the world.

    Final note, I cracked up at the Hope blue/red spoof. It was really great.


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    • #47
      Originally posted by Tikor View Post
      I thought House of the Bull God did a great job of giving a great many and varied black characters, but that was quite some time ago.

      One can summarize Panther into the Angry Black Man stereotype but wouldn't a similar summary of his other deeds (walking away from a wasted life, inspiring others with righteousness, being a poor traveler setting wrongs to right then refusing payment and walking on, slaying magical werewolf people, saying Christ all the time) pin him in the Magical N- stereotype? Which is like the polar opposite of the Angry Black Man? Sounds like our allegorical stereotyping logic might be at fault, not the character as written.

      In my viewpoint, the vast majority of characters of note are Dragon-Blooded, most of which are from the Realm, where most of their ancestry is Asian (but considerably mixed due to Lost Eggs). Everyone else is marginalized, because they live on the margins of the world.

      Final note, I cracked up at the Hope blue/red spoof. It was really great.
      The problem with Panther isn't that he's an angry black man. It's that he's a black dude who lived a life of empty fame based in violence, drugs and prostitutes, until he did the setting-equivalent of finding Jesus and became a preacher. Throughout all this he remains an Angry Black Man.

      I mean.

      For reals.

      (he's still a really cool character but that shouldn't prevent us from looking at his story critically)


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      • #48
        Originally posted by Tikor View Post
        One can summarize Panther into the Angry Black Man stereotype but wouldn't a similar summary of his other deeds (walking away from a wasted life, inspiring others with righteousness, being a poor traveler setting wrongs to right then refusing payment and walking on, slaying magical werewolf people, saying Christ all the time) pin him in the Magical N- stereotype? Which is like the polar opposite of the Angry Black Man? Sounds like our allegorical stereotyping logic might be at fault, not the character as written.
        I don't think racial stereotypes add to or subtract from one another that way. If I say five nice things about someone, one racist thing, and then five more nice things, the nice things don't make the racist thing I said any less pernicious. Likewise, if someone stereotypes me as a weak and unassertive Asian, but later stereotypes me as a badass Asian martial artist, that second stereotype doesn't exactly make me feel better.
        Originally posted by Tikor View Post
        Final note, I cracked up at the Hope blue/red spoof. It was really great.
        Aw, thanks ^_^;;


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Omicron View Post
          The problem with Panther isn't that he's an angry black man. It's that he's a black dude who lived a life of empty fame based in violence, drugs and prostitutes, until he did the setting-equivalent of finding Jesus and became a preacher. Throughout all this he remains an Angry Black Man.

          I mean.

          For reals.

          (he's still a really cool character but that shouldn't prevent us from looking at his story critically)
          In fairness, there is a lot of shit to be angry about in Creation.


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          • #50
            One thing I think is important about Panther is that every single element of his story varies between "par for the course" and "awesome" - there isn't really something you can point at and say "that's bad", while there are several nice parts about it.

            A black Exalt as a sig? Good!
            An outright horrible person who saw the emptiness in his life and swore to not only turn his own life around, but to also serve as an example for others? Great!
            Son of a prostitute who never knew his father? Well, 'kay.
            Took his signature weapons as trophy from a battle with a Lunar? Nothing special, no problem.
            Former pit fighter who learned "performance" by playing the audience for more fame and thus money? Nice idea!

            It's only when you combine all these single things that are individually good ideas into one character that you end up with the stereotypes of not only the angry black man, but also the magical black man and the black priest with a criminal past, all in one character. And then they named him Panther to drive the point home.

            /Edit: There's also the part where his portrayal in chapter comics only had the variations of "Angry black man shouting" and "Angry black man punching", but since those aren't part of his backstory, I stick to the above. Besides, an always-angry Zenith isn't that bad on its own, either, nor is it a problem that a Zenith punches people to solve problems - it's just that again, they gave that role to the big black guy.
            Last edited by Amakawa Yuuto; 10-28-2015, 06:44 PM.


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            • #51
              Originally posted by Robert Vance View Post
              Good manners in the West would default to the male pronoun, but I'm not sure which Righteous Tsunami was written with.
              Tya writeups have been very consistent in using feminine pronouns. Given this, I'd be inclined to call the Tya a third gender rather than straight trans thing.

              EX3 might change this, of course.

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