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  • #91
    Originally posted by Hark View Post
    What your arguing is like saying fire shouldn't have any influence over emotion because we have a passion perview, yet fire explicitly has power over emotions.

    Dreams are currently cover by darkness only because of the core perviews its the most thematically appropriate. That does not and never has implied that darkness has exclusive influence over dreams. That is what the Dream perview is for.
    are you familiar with the term “air breathing mermaid”? It’s a term for a power or knack/merit/whatever in an rpg that by being introduced implicitly makes characters less powerful. The term comes from a purchasable merit in some game to let mermaids breath air after nothing in the book to that point had suggested they could not breath air. The merit existing suggested that characters who hadn’t bought it could not breath air, while if it had not been included that would have been assumed to be automatic and free.

    When you already establish that Darkness covers the concepts of dreams and sleep (not just dreams about darkness, but all dreams) and then introduce a separate Dream purview and thus have to define the concepts that Darkness doesn’t cover (like all the emotions that Fire doesn’t cover but Passion does), you are pulling an Air-Breathing Mermaid on every
    one using Darkness to play a Dream wielding Scion.

    unless of course Dream is a specialized Purview ala the rules in he companion. Then we’re fine.


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    • #92
      New preview is up! Nessie is a dragon parent. I'm both stunned and delighted

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      • #93
        Good gracious. Not only do we have Nessie as a progenitor (along with Jörmungandr and Leviathan), we’ve got a host of new possibilities.

        New Dragon Callings are hinted at: Predator, Collector, Watcher, Nomad, Ruler, and Mystic. In addition, both Destroyer and Primeval are invoked from Titanomachy.

        (I’m more willing to believe that Ruler isn’t a typo where they meant Leader, given that it appears in two separate write-ups. Still, it’ll be interesting to see how the devs can make this new Calling distinct from either Leader or Tyrant.)

        Dragons also have an intriguing connection to Luck magic, which I’m looking forward to seeing. I will leave the references to the Neverending Story to others. They also have Understanding as a possible power, which is intriguing.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Raz_Fox View Post
          Good gracious. Not only do we have Nessie as a progenitor (along with Jörmungandr and Leviathan), we’ve got a host of new possibilities.

          New Dragon Callings are hinted at: Predator, Collector, Watcher, Nomad, Ruler, and Mystic. In addition, both Destroyer and Primeval are invoked from Titanomachy.

          (I’m more willing to believe that Ruler isn’t a typo where they meant Leader, given that it appears in two separate write-ups. Still, it’ll be interesting to see how the devs can make this new Calling distinct from either Leader or Tyrant.)

          Dragons also have an intriguing connection to Luck magic, which I’m looking forward to seeing. I will leave the references to the Neverending Story to others. They also have Understanding as a possible power, which is intriguing.
          Wasn't Predator in Titanmachy?
          We're only through half the initial Flights, lots more round to cover.


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          • #95
            Originally posted by FallenEco View Post

            Wasn't Predator in Titanmachy?
            We're only through half the initial Flights, lots more round to cover.
            You’re thinking of Monster. Don’t worry, I initially thought the same thing.

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            • #96
              Looking at the newest update, it looks like there are regular purviews and Mythos purviews. So, Darkness stays Darkness, but Dream is most likely a Mythos purview, which is fueled with Awareness instead of Legend. If a Mythos scion has access to Darkness, they would need to use Legend to fuel it. (All of this is assuming Dream is a Mythos purview.)

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              • #97
                Looking at the first part of the Flights chapter manuscript, the fact that Flight is it’s own form of Dragon Magic is odd, since 1: that is a really specific thing, and 2: man the Flight Boon from Sky is going to be really outdated

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                • #98
                  Dragons & Incarnations - Each dragon have only 1 Incarnation at give time, and when killed it - dragon is 'dead' until 1 of it Heirs become proper Incarnation. I got it right? Cause 'Dragons do not have Incarnations'? So there is 1 Bolla and if Bolla is killed - it can only return when 1 of Bolla Heirs incarnate it. Right?


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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                    Dragons & Incarnations - Each dragon have only 1 Incarnation at give time, and when killed it - dragon is 'dead' until 1 of it Heirs become proper Incarnation. I got it right? Cause 'Dragons do not have Incarnations'? So there is 1 Bolla and if Bolla is killed - it can only return when 1 of Bolla Heirs incarnate it. Right?
                    Probably? They haven't covered that yet. Might be in the Dragon Companion (we did unlocked Greater Wyrms, which are likely Divine Tier Dragons)instead of this book.
                    Dragons don't have Incarnations the way Gods or Titans do, but they also don't have Mantles.
                    It might be possible for an Heir to claim enough Inheritance and memory through to 'become' a second version of a living Dragon (and if they still share memories, it might be more like a second body for that Dragon).


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                    • The next text preview for Mythos came out, covering character creation and powers.

                      Interestingly, the Mythos "inverted Callings" (Corrupter is a Guardian who manipulates their wards, Cosmos is a Sage of dangerous knowledge who is greedy for more) are a lot more malevolent than Awareness Purviews; hell, Aware Darkness' innate power (lucid dreaming and ability to create other lucid dreamers) is outright less creepy than normal Darkness, since it happens whenever you ride dreams instead of allowing you to victimize others in them without consequence. I suspect that's intentional, since Callings have to do with Fate and human perspective; the Mythos doesn't care, so Fate binds them to dark archetypes to understand them (which Scions can take or leave - it's just thematics, which is great).

                      No Virtues, though. I wonder if that's intentional


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                      • Masks of Mythos - Awareness - I read it right that Mythos Scions have both Legend and Awareness? And Awareness, on general mechanics, double Legend - that you unlock Purviews, you spend Awerness for Mythos Boons, etc.?


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                        • Yes, they have both. Awareness can be substituted for Legend, but not vice versa. However, I THINK you can only raise one or the other from completing the proper complement of deeds.

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                          • Hm. Yeah, looking at the draft, I think some old drafts got in the God writeups, combined with some errors. Hibernate is a Frost Boon, everyone gets Arcane Calculus, and Dreams and Darkness are still the same thing; Aware Darkness is just focused on the Dream half.

                            Time to hit the error forms!


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                            • I like the new Boons, and I feel like with minor edits for the costs you could even use a lot of them for the normal Purviews same with the Innates, especially since the Sky innate is way better then Normal Sky’s (to be blunt) weak innate
                              Last edited by Magicjohnny; 01-29-2021, 02:41 PM.

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                              • Although some of the Knacks do seem pretty OP, like Baying of the Hounds, which as written can kill a God tier character, including Mythos figures. Now I’m all for some Titus Crow esque beating up the Great Old Ones, but I feel like it shouldn’t be as easy as just sending some star dogs after Cthulhu over the hills, well that’s what’s Errata’s for at least, maybe something like “against an equal or higher tier being, you need to pass a Clash of Wills”

                                Name Nemesis is also weird since it’s effect is already how Fatebindings work.
                                Last edited by Magicjohnny; 01-29-2021, 03:08 PM.

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