Scion Dragon & Masks of Mythos Kickstarter

[glamourweaver]

Hm. Yeah, looking at the draft, I think some old drafts got in the God writeups, combined with some errors. Hibernate is a Frost Boon, everyone gets Arcane Calculus, and Dreams and Darkness are still the same thing; Aware Darkness is just focused on the Dream half.

Time to hit the error forms!

Yes the Associated Purviews need heavy errata. You do not list a specific Boon for an Associated Purview. You don't include the PSP for Associated Purviews, especially not including it for some and not for others.

[glamourweaver]

Although some of the Knacks do seem pretty OP, like Baying of the Hounds, which as written can kill a God tier character, including Mythos figures. Now I’m all for some Titus Crow esque beating up the Great Old Ones, but I feel like it shouldn’t be as easy as just sending some star dogs after Cthulhu over the hills, well that’s what’s Errata’s for at least, maybe something like “against an equal or higher tier being, you need to pass a Clash of Wills”

Name Nemesis is also weird since it’s effect is already how Fatebindings work.

The one thing that could make Baying of the Hounds work is that the effect ends when you catch up with the target. That should mean if the target confronts you too, since you're in their presence. So unleash the Hounds against a much more powerful character.... is asking to get squished.

[Raz_Fox]

The one thing that could make Baying of the Hounds work is that the effect ends when you catch up with the target. That should mean if the target confronts you too, since you're in their presence. So unleash the Hounds against a much more powerful character.... is asking to get squished.

As written, that does appear to be what happens; the dogs do not stop bothering the quarry until “you catch up to your prey.” EDIT: oh, that is what you’re saying. I misread you initially.

Let’s see, notes: it looks like the Lord of the Great Abyss should have Health and Frost as well as Deception and Water, which is reasonable, and Cthulhu really should just have Darkness. And Eat the Rich is a very good Boon name, kudos.

[FallenEco]

Some of the Inverted Callings are already Callings (Adversary and Destroyer off the top of my head), albeit non standard ("Titanic") ones.
Now I don't think that is a problem, though I would argue that being able to use Knacks from both (say Guardian/Corruptor) is a function of Awareness. The 'fact' that certain Callings have more knacks through also being Titanic Callings feels like a feature, so I'm not going to call it out in the error forms.

[glamourweaver]

Some of the Inverted Callings are already Callings (Adversary and Destroyer off the top of my head), albeit non standard ("Titanic") ones.
Now I don't think that is a problem, though I would argue that being able to use Knacks from both (say Guardian/Corruptor) is a function of Awareness. The 'fact' that certain Callings have more knacks through also being Titanic Callings feels lime a feature, so I'm not going to call it out in the error forms.

I mentioned the option of leaning into that by actually acknowledging “if you have Titanomachy, you may use the included versions of Destroyer and Adversary to expand inverted Creator and Lover”.

If they embrace that, they should similarly link Tyrant to inverted Leader and Monster to inverted Hunter.

[glamourweaver]

I am concerned that we’ve made it past the Pantheon, Character Creation, and Traits chapters and they haven’t included the Pantheon Virtues. It seems like they forgot as the sample characters have tracks but no listed Virtues.

[Leliel]

I am concerned that we’ve made it past the Pantheon, Character Creation, and Traits chapters and they haven’t included the Pantheon Virtues. It seems like they forgot as the sample characters have tracks but no listed Virtues.

Thing is, I'm not sure if that's intentional or not. The Mythos is an amoral Pantheon, so if any Pantheon lacks Virtues, it's them.

It'd be cutting back on a lot of ideas and lose more than it'd gain, but I can see the logic.

Of course, we're missing the Pantheon Skills too....

Still, I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. Having seen a Let's Play of Omori, I have an idea for a group of teenagers who become Mythos Scions after entering the Dreamlands by accident and fight monsters, villains, and insecurities all at once.

[Kyman201]

The sample characters have Virtue Tracks, but no Virtues ON them, as noted. Which is very odd.

Now if I were to (jokingly) suggest Virtues for the Mythos Scions it'd be "Curiosity" and "NOPE!"

Curiosity is the urge to go "Well I do want to know this thing..." and NOPE! is the urge to go "Fuck this I'm out"

[Magicjohnny]

That would be fun

[Guest]

Thing is, I'm not sure if that's intentional or not. The Mythos is an amoral Pantheon, so if any Pantheon lacks Virtues, it's them.

It'd be cutting back on a lot of ideas and lose more than it'd gain, but I can see the logic.

Of course, we're missing the Pantheon Skills too....

Still, I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. Having seen a Let's Play of Omori, I have an idea for a group of teenagers who become Mythos Scions after entering the Dreamlands by accident and fight monsters, villains, and insecurities all at once.

That sounds like a really cool concept. Also, I just wanted to say I love the second preview, especially the sample characters.

[Magicjohnny]

I like the Long preview, they feel like a full blown faction with politics and stuff, rather then a bunch of randos and assholes with vaguely similar goals. And dragon court politics is a fun idea

[glamourweaver]

Thing is, I'm not sure if that's intentional or not. The Mythos is an amoral Pantheon, so if any Pantheon lacks Virtues, it's them.

It'd be cutting back on a lot of ideas and lose more than it'd gain, but I can see the logic.

Of course, we're missing the Pantheon Skills too....

Still, I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. Having seen a Let's Play of Omori, I have an idea for a group of teenagers who become Mythos Scions after entering the Dreamlands by accident and fight monsters, villains, and insecurities all at once.

They still would need to have addressed it in character creation and traits. “Characters with Awareness no longer have Virtues”.

And they included blank tracks on the sample characters. Of course the sample characters have little connection to the rules of the game, so that’s not saying anything.

[No One of Consequence]

The sample characters have Virtue Tracks, but no Virtues ON them, as noted. Which is very odd.

Now if I were to (jokingly) suggest Virtues for the Mythos Scions it'd be "Curiosity" and "NOPE!"

Curiosity is the urge to go "Well I do want to know this thing..." and NOPE! is the urge to go "Fuck this I'm out"

Less jokingly, maybe Vision (or Fantasy/Dream) vs Nihilism?

[Kyman201]

On the topic of the sample characters... Marius has Legend 1 and Awareness 1 and has 5 Boons?

Was there a kind of miscommunication about how Boons were in 2e? Between this and the Necronomicon 'Flaw' saying that you can only get X boons from the fragments... Was there a miscommunication about how you obtain Boons in 2e?

[Raz_Fox]

On the topic of the sample characters... Marius has Legend 1 and Awareness 1 and has 5 Boons?

Was there a kind of miscommunication about how Boons were in 2e? Between this and the Necronomicon 'Flaw' saying that you can only get X boons from the fragments... Was there a miscommunication about how you obtain Boons in 2e?

Leena has “Transcendent Deception” and Arcane Calculus as her purviews. Note that this will be the only time Arcane Calculus is listed in the Pre-Mades. We don’t know what her Ivory Idol does, but if you fix Deception’s name, that’s a starting character. (Unless Transcendent [Purview] is meant to indicate it’s the Awareness-fueled version.)

I’m not going to dissect each of the others, but I suspect that the designer crossed wires and assumed that a) Scions get two purviews at character creation, b) you get to pick one Purview from a list provided by a Relic, and c) your Pantheon Purview isn’t an automatic purchase.

B) would make some of the baffling Relic designs last chapter make sense: “it’s fine that a three-dot relic has three Purviews listed, you only get to pick one!”

And while we’re talking about the PMC...

Two of the Skills you choose for your character’s Pantheon Path must be the Pantheon Skills for divine patron’s pantheon.

At a guess, I’m going to say that Occult is one of the Pantheon Skills, and Leadership may be the other? But that’s if the designer assumed that you have to have one of the skills, not both.

Then again, PMC are notoriously difficult to get right in pretty much any RPG I can name, which is a shame, because they’re a resource for the players least likely to be able to catch mistakes.