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  • Yeah, increasingly, I think the Ready-Made Characters and Gods are from an earlier version.


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    • On the Scion discord someone had a nice idea for an Heir, specifically an Heir of the Drakon with the note that some of the Drakon were children of Ares, and the Heir treats all of of Ares Scions as new uncles and aunts

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      • In honor of the new preview:

        K’uk’ulkan: "ATTENTION, HUMANS OF EARTH, AND GIVE THANKS, FOR WE HAVE COME TO SAVE YOU..."

        K'uh: "Sweet, the Serpents are here!"

        K’uk’ulkan: "....FROM YOURSEEEEELVES!"

        K'uh: "Ah, hell, the Serpents are here."

        Really describes a lot of Flights, really.


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        • Originally posted by Leliel View Post
          In honor of the new preview:

          K’uk’ulkan: "ATTENTION, HUMANS OF EARTH, AND GIVE THANKS, FOR WE HAVE COME TO SAVE YOU..."

          K'uh: "Sweet, the Serpents are here!"

          K’uk’ulkan: "....FROM YOURSEEEEELVES!"

          K'uh: "Ah, hell, the Serpents are here."

          Really describes a lot of Flights, really.
          You made me choke on my soda haha

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          • Honestly after enough times reading "This dragon is angry and wants to kill humanity for pollution" it all kinda bleeds together. Yes, we get it, ecoterrorism and perpetuation of that freaking "Humanity is a virus and the Earth is better without us" bullcrap that throws the bystanders and those effected by climate change under the bus instead of focusing on the very small number of people who are actually most responsible for most of the damage.


            Disclaimer: In favor of fun and enjoyment, but may speak up to warn you that you're gonna step on a metaphorical land mine

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            • Yeah the ecofascism stuff kinda makes it hard to see the gods as being in the wrong for fighting the Dragons

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              • Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
                Honestly after enough times reading "This dragon is angry and wants to kill humanity for pollution" it all kinda bleeds together. Yes, we get it, ecoterrorism and perpetuation of that freaking "Humanity is a virus and the Earth is better without us" bullcrap that throws the bystanders and those effected by climate change under the bus instead of focusing on the very small number of people who are actually most responsible for most of the damage.
                I noticed that as well. I'm annoyed with how some of them are written to fit that "theme." My group has elected to ignore some of what a few of us have brought up about since their Jormungandr clashes with the actual myth. We're going to go through the rest when the books come out and talk about how much we are going to use.

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                • Like if a lot of the gods can be environmentalist while still being not being ecofascist and genocidal towards mankind, why can’t the Dragons? Especially since it means you have several Dragons who can not have anything but a very antagonistic role to the player group
                  Last edited by Magicjohnny; 02-02-2021, 03:34 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Magicjohnny View Post
                    Like if a lot of the gods can be environmentalist while still being not being ecofascist and genocidal towards mankind, why can’t the Dragons? Especially since it means you have several Dragons who can not have anything but a very antagonistic role to the player group
                    I don’t think they’re intended to come off as ecofascists, they’re stated willingness to kill humans likely is meant to refer to SPECIFIC humans, not “the surplus population”. But I submitted some feedback on how to make that clearer.


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                    • If I had to tackle the Ecoterrorism angle I'd take a page out of Monsterverse Godzilla. They're primordial forces so far above the average human that they're more like natural disasters - a natural disaster doesn't care about individuals, just like the people who suffer the most from climate disasters aren't the ones who cause them.

                      So in this case a Dragon interacts with humanity as a whole and acts accordingly in order to fix what it sees as an imbalance. A Dragon who wants to stop a deforestation crisis will smash flat all the logging camps and burn the workers there alive. A particularly smart dragon might even follow the patterns that create these imbalances and stop them at the source. But they'll never stop to ask any one person how to do it, or settle for a long term approach of compromise and collaboration. Who cares about humans? They're weak squishy things and barely even exist. They'd better stay out of your way.

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                      • Honestly so far only the Longs seem to be interesting, every other Flight is just kinda disappointing and the lore in general is just very jarring and just doesn’t feel Scion, also it’s weird that Shiva of all people doesn’t understand the Many in one, one in many thing about Vasuki and the Nagas

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                        • I do find it a little disappointing that these write ups including a number of factions with no examples in the patrons.


                          Thoughts ripple out, birthing others

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                          • Also I’m confused about the Dead dragon flight stretch goal, we already have plenty of dead Dragons in the main Flights, so why do we need a whole factions dedicated to them? It just feels like faction bloating

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                            • Originally posted by Magicjohnny View Post
                              Like if a lot of the gods can be environmentalist while still being not being ecofascist and genocidal towards mankind, why can’t the Dragons? Especially since it means you have several Dragons who can not have anything but a very antagonistic role to the player group

                              Uh, what Dragons? Certainly not the Serpents, who explicitly are having trouble with saving the Earth because they're spooked about accidentally killing humanity with it and wanting to avoid that if at all possible.

                              And, seriously, you seem to have missed that there's a literal mechanic for rebellion against Dragons and what they want you to be; it's in their Virtue track. The path that leads to greater power being the path that serves someone morally ambiguous and probably a bit lost in the ideal past seems like a feature, not a bug.


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                              • So on a second read, I may have been a smidge uncharitable going right to "They want to purge humanity" since there are some Serpent writeups that (in defiance of the tones mentioned at the start of the Flight Blurb and the end blurb) seem to think tossing the ones responsible in the underworld is 'Too far' and some making points to try and protect vulnerable populations.

                                I lay this mostly at my having read five previous Flights, found maybe one of them that engaging, the rest underwhelming, and when I got to Serpent and it opened with another "The world was once great, but then humanity fucked it up with pollution, and the Dragons tried to stop them, but the Gods were meanies who just wanted worship" so I was less inclined to be charitable with the Serpent writeup.


                                Disclaimer: In favor of fun and enjoyment, but may speak up to warn you that you're gonna step on a metaphorical land mine

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