Scion Dragon & Masks of Mythos Kickstarter

[thedonnie]

When are these books coming out? Because the kickstarter page said they were already completed, and I'm seeing some videos of people playing them on youtube, but DriveThruRPG isn't selling them, yet.

They could be using the manuscript from the Kickstarter. I know I ran an Aberrant game using the manuscript.

Also, to keep track of things, that is what the Monday Meeting Notes are. They tell you what is available and what is coming down the pipeline. Not to mention, check the main page of the website for them saying what is coming out, usually on Wednesdays.

[Nyrufa]

When are these books coming out? Because the kickstarter page said they were already completed, and I'm seeing some videos of people playing them on youtube, but DriveThruRPG isn't selling them, yet.

I hope the virtues of the Mythos Pantheon go along the lines of Sanity vs Enlightment.

What about making Nihilism one of their virtues?

Seeing as how a main theme of Lovecraft's writings is the idea that when faced with the truth of just how uncaring the universe is, humanity would inevitably succumb to madness and despair.

[moonwolf8]

Unrelated: I'm looking over Mythos stuff in preparation for Masks of the Mythos, and I'm trying to think of a good writeup for Ithaqua after seeing Sandy Petersen's take on him. Because the thing about the Wind-Walker is that from the moment his storm manifests, he's there; he's just not quite as solid as other creatures, meaning he's absolutely unstoppable if he decides he wants to torment you, and he gets more and more stuff to do it with as his avatar stabilizes. That makes his presence wonderfully creepy, because you never stop being hunted. I'm also figuring out what makes a literal cannibal god a creature a sympathetic person can draw power from; I'm going for the idea that his distinct creation of wendigos comes from his desperation for a friend and having a child that surpasses him, making him among the most human of the Mythos - and the most inhuman, given the whole cannibal embodiment of outer space and frigid weather thing.

I've recently started reading The Weird of Hali series by John Michael Greer. In the Voyage to Hyperborea set in the same universe undead pirates see the Wind-Walker and consider him a bad omen. Greer sets Hyperborea in Greenland by the way. His big bad in the series is The Radiance; think Hunter the Vigil for the Mythos but gleefully willing to slaughter any other scions or titan-spawn they come across.

[Dataweaver]

The latter is pretty much going to be a moot point unless it until such time as we get a Canaanite / midianite pantheon.

The YouTubers name is ironic, given the shared nature of this Kickstarter. I will have to look up that video.

[moonwolf8]

Leviathan is from Judaism. Does this mean Dragon is drawing on monotheist religions? Or is he/it supposed to be the Canaanite Lotan?

There is a fascinating video on YouTube by a Mr. Mythos titled: "Evidence that YHVH was a Dragon". There is also "The Origins of Yahweh" by Atheologica that identifies Yahweh as having originally been a Midianite Volcano God.

[moonwolf8]

I recently; yesterday, found out about a series called The Weird of Hali by John Michael Greer. From the overview of the first book in the series: "caught up in a secret war between the servants of the Great Old Ones and their ancient enemies, a war in which yesterday's friend may be tomorrow's foe and nothing is as it seems. The history of the world is not what he has been taught—and the tentacles reaching out for him from the shadows of a forbidden past may hold not only his one chance of escape from the terrifying forces closing around him, but the last hope of life on Earth..." It seems that in this series the Elder gods are the oppressors and the Great Old Ones and their servants are the champions of the oppressed. Are there any plans for that kind of a storyline?

[wyrdhamster]

Is it only my Dragon book compiled Preview Manuscript - or you also have some weird lines separations in the middle of sentence? Nothing like that was in separate chapter files...

[Mugbearer23]

I hope the virtues of the Mythos Pantheon go along the lines of Sanity vs Enlightment.

It is in my opinion much like Leliel said the beings that form what is called the Mythos pantheon are much more like an hostile enviroment than anything else.

Altough that makes one wonder how a Demigod of this pantheon would act and if they are the ultimate true reality or only as true as every other reality in the world of scion.

After all their pantheon could only yesterday been created but due to nature of divinity no one would know.

[reaperfrost8]

So, uh, who was that Randolph Carter guy again? Or Dr. Munoz? You could say he was destroyed in the end, but the issue seemed to be more of an AC unit breaking down than anything.

This seems to do nothing but inform me of how much Call of Cthulhu's earlier editions took away from the Mythos. It made it this enemy of everything, when in fact it's more accurate to say it's the ultimate hostile environment, one antithetical to humanity - for the same reason the empty void of space is. It doesn't hate you, it's that it's too cold and airless for you to live without a suit. To build the suit, you must understand the void - and if you explained the suit to a guy from before the discovery of space they'd wonder if you'd gone mad. Air's everywhere! Why do you need a suit to go a place where there isn't water?

The Mythos isn't scary because it hates reality. The Mythos is scary because it is reality, just one removed from typical human experience. A Scion of the Mythos is someone who can't avoid it, and has to live with it - it will never leave them be, because they have one foot planted firmly in it by nature of what they are. Hence Awareness, not Sanity; you aren't going mad, you're simply inputting new data into how you behave.

One of the reasons I gravitate more towards Cofd and Scion then call of cthulhu and I really like the Cthulhu mythos lore a lot when you get past a lot of its major problems with it's original creator but when you can only interact with the supernatural in a hostile manner that really doesn't work for me.

This may also be the reason why I look at works beyond H.P Lovecraft such as Clark Ashton Smith who's many monster were less hostile and more wierd and strange then monster just coming at you to ear or drive you insane.

[Leliel]

Also sat down and read over Masks of the Mythos. While I understand the authors aims, the changes do take a bit away from the Mythos. Asa long time Call of Cthulhu player and Lovecraft reader, I will run it more like the traditional Mythos. There is nothing redeeming or sympathetic in the Mythos at all. That was the entire point. It did not matter the background of the person who came across the Mythos. Sooner or later, the Mythos would destroy them. Scions or Heirs would recognize the existential threat of the Old Ones, even if they are not really certain of what it was. It is the nature of the Mythos. Antithetical to Reality (such as it is) itself and the whims of Fate. That in and of itself should scare the crap out of the Scions and might be oneof the few times the Gods and Titans draw a truce

So, uh, who was that Randolph Carter guy again? Or Dr. Munoz? You could say he was destroyed in the end, but the issue seemed to be more of an AC unit breaking down than anything.

This seems to do nothing but inform me of how much Call of Cthulhu's earlier editions took away from the Mythos. It made it this enemy of everything, when in fact it's more accurate to say it's the ultimate hostile environment, one antithetical to humanity - for the same reason the empty void of space is. It doesn't hate you, it's that it's too cold and airless for you to live without a suit. To build the suit, you must understand the void - and if you explained the suit to a guy from before the discovery of space they'd wonder if you'd gone mad. Air's everywhere! Why do you need a suit to go a place where there isn't water?

The Mythos isn't scary because it hates reality. The Mythos is scary because it is reality, just one removed from typical human experience. A Scion of the Mythos is someone who can't avoid it, and has to live with it - it will never leave them be, because they have one foot planted firmly in it by nature of what they are. Hence Awareness, not Sanity; you aren't going mad, you're simply inputting new data into how you behave.

[Mugbearer23]

If i may ask what do you mean with sympathetic or redeeming?

[TheWanderingJewels]

Also sat down and read over Masks of the Mythos. While I understand the authors aims, the changes do take a bit away from the Mythos. Asa long time Call of Cthulhu player and Lovecraft reader, I will run it more like the traditional Mythos. There is nothing redeeming or sympathetic in the Mythos at all. That was the entire point. It did not matter the background of the person who came across the Mythos. Sooner or later, the Mythos would destroy them. Scions or Heirs would recognize the existential threat of the Old Ones, even if they are not really certain of what it was. It is the nature of the Mythos. Antithetical to Reality (such as it is) itself and the whims of Fate. That in and of itself should scare the crap out of the Scions and might be oneof the few times the Gods and Titans draw a truce

[TheWanderingJewels]

Some initial thoughts on Scion: Dragon: I'm liking the idea and concept so far. However, a thought occurred to me is that sooner or later, Blackmail will not work on some people in . Chalk it up to Arrogance, Stupidity, or any other number of reasons. Heirs should likely be made aware of this once they get into the Craft. Now add that the mark might be a Scion and it can get ugly quickly.

Mortal institutions will have their uses and is a Heir is working to subvert it, I'd say part of the rolls made by them not only should cover finding blackmail material, but the kind that assures that the mark in question will NOT try to use organizational resources to dig their way out of a problem. And if they do. Well, time to be one of those things that goes bump in the night and leave people wondering what the hell happened. Removing a piece from the board is not as uncommon as one might think.

[Sakii]

, so the rumors spread and the idea that "the leader of this bunch is, like, ten meters tall and crushed an SUV like a soda can!" can be safely dismissed by the public as exaggeration and hearsay.

Or any of the other Denziens that can do that. "No, no. Its not a dragon, but a..emm...winged..oni"

[Scottsman]

I'm sure I can find a happy place somewhere between D&D and Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. Just rewatched Miss Kobayashi and was surprised how well it works.

Glad I'm not the first person with this thought. The idea of trying to get through Life while also balancing this massive well of power seems like a lot of fun for a game.