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  • #31
    A very basic (partial) outline of the American Pantheon.

    Primordial: The American Dream

    Major Deities: America, the Triple Goddess (Columbia, Lady Liberty, Lady Justice) and Uncle Sam

    Lesser Deities: Still working those out. They are mainly archetypes rather than individuals.

    Titans: Still finalizing, but two of them are sometimes referred to as Leviathan and Behemoth.

    Overworld: The Shining White City on the Hill

    Underworld: The Past

    Midlands: Hollywoodland, Old Gotham & New Metropolis, and The Wild West would be the main ones.


    What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
    Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post

      Midlands: Hollywoodland, Old Gotham & New Metropolis, and The Wild West would be the main ones.
      "The South" should be a Midland too. Seductive and horrible. The banjos and magnolias are real. But there is blood on the Magnolias and the Banjo player's broad smile can't hide the terror in his eyes.

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      • #33
        That would be Dixieland, which would probably be one of the secondary ones.


        What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
        Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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        • #34
          Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
          Titans: Still finalizing, but two of them are sometimes referred to as Leviathan and Behemoth.
          I was once playing around with the concept of a modern Pantheon and had the thought that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse would make excellent Titans, representing fundamental threats to human civilization.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Astromancer View Post

            Seductive and horrible. ... But there is blood on the Magnolias ...
            Reminds me of Strange Fruit by Billie Holiday


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            • #36
              In my mind, there is a Hoodoo pantheon, related to the Orisha and Loa, which includes High John the Conqueror and The Dark Man at The Crossroads.


              What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
              Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
                A very basic (partial) outline of the American Pantheon.
                Exciting to see that this might happen

                Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
                Lesser Deities: Still working those out. They are mainly archetypes rather than individuals.
                A few possibilities that come to mind:
                • The Nuclear Family. Manifestations include: The Family Man, The Domestic Goddess, The All American Boy, The Girl Next Door and the Sweet Little Girl. Often they manifests as four of the five at once.
                • The Rebel. They faces change and are always contemporary, unless you meet it in the past or a midlands where an older mask fits better. They're generally considered to be The Nuclear Family's child and may manifest alongside The Nuclear Family, either as a fifth member, or standing in place of the son or daughter. The exact relationship between the two gods varies, following generational relations in The World. Sometimes its just a teenager needing their own space and identity, sometimes The Rebel is trying to tear down The Nuclear Family's outdated and conservative values. The exception to this is when The Rebel manifests as a civil rights activist, in which case their disagreements tend to be more tactical than over the end goal, or strictly adversarial with no family relationship if The Nuclear Family is currently manifesting as WASP.
                • The Founding Fathers. Self explanatory, manifests as any of the Founding Fathers but most likely to be one of the big names. Occasionally they borrow The Rebel's Mantel, and the Rebel occasionally borrows their Mantle - usually for Washington.
                • The Immigrant. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." The Immigrant is intentionally trying to steer America towards more open and pro-migrant direction. They usually manifests in PR friendly hard working, law abiding, and often outdated appearances like an Italian Tailor. Probably the most underestimated god of the pantheon, immigrants work everywhere and The Immigrant isn't nearly as deferral as its avatars pretend to be.
                • The Freeman. Cowboys, pioneers, small business owners. The Freeman wants to work hard and be left alone, but will always turn out to help his friends if needed.
                • The Bull (Wall Street). Something of a devil figure for the pantheon. But the dirty secret is that all the other gods have a deal going with him. Sure he exploits The Immigrant, but he gives green cards or turns a blind eye to illegal immigration. The Rebel might throw a molotov in his direction, but he still buys the latest iPhone. The Pantheon also let him do much of their dirty work in foreign relationships, nobody is fooled but it can work as a polite fiction in realpolitik.
                • The Native American. An unused Mantle that gods from native Pantheons can use when collaborating with the American Pantheon. Nowdays the rest of the Pantheon feel guilty about how the Mantle was used in the past, but none of them have returned the spoils.
                • The Conspiracy Theorist. This god has a long history as a left wing anti-government figure (think The Lone Gunmen from the X-Files). While events in the World have changed its perception but it's confident that given time things will regress to the mean.

                Last edited by The Kings Raven; 12-23-2022, 03:28 AM.


                “There are no rules. Only Principles and natural laws.” - Promethius
                My Homebrew no longer fits in a signature, you can find an index of it here.
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                • #38
                  Some more ideas, because this is fun
                  • The Industrialist. Railroad barons, titans of industry, tech billionaires. The Industrialist previously manifested as hard nosed buisnessmen who had an understated competence when it comes to new technology like cars and assembly lines. Now days he often manifests himself as a technical wizard who has an understated knack for business. Probably is an ascended Henry Ford. The Industrialist is perhaps the only member of the pantheon to actually like The Bull (its mutual).
                  • The Stars. A tipple goddess consisting of the Golden Girl (crone) who thrives on her talent and a fanbase built up over years and is thoroughly tied into the industry. The Influencer (maiden) who relies on her looks & sex appeal, but also has more cunning, independence, ambition, and business savvy than she lets you see (after all this is the goddess of successful influencers), and The Actress (maiden) who is half way between the two. The Influencer was previously The Child Star, who decided to incarnate and work her way back up to godhood with a new mantle to shed her mythos of being under the control of stage moms or worse. You can still meet The Child Star in The Past. Male manifestations of the Golden Girl or Actress are similar to their female equivalents, male variants of The Influencer are absent and instead you'll just see a young face of The Actor.
                  • The News. Manifesting as an intrepid reporter or a television anchor. The News has long since lost its squeaky clean image of honesty, integrity, and committent to public service and is now seen as manipulative spin doctor in service of, well everyone thinks the News is biased against them. In truth the News' biggest vice is pandering to whomever its audience is at the time to grow its worship. The News often manifests alongside The Stars. The Stars get publicity from the deal, The News gets quotes to reinforce whatever angle it's pushing without having to stray from "neutrality". Note that The News never ever lies. It just adds or omits context, chooses which stories are ignored and which are reported a dozen times, or chooses which experts to phone for a statement.
                  • The Proud Man/Woman. An incarnation of The Rebel that went rogue and became a god in their own right. The Proud Man represents the safe, PR friendly, version of minority causes. They were originally associated with LGBT issues and that's still their strongest association. If the Rebel is the pride march demanding change, The Proud Man is the pride march hawking wears from its corporate sponsors. The Proud Man sees The Rebel as his own embarrassing teenager phase, and The Rebel sees The Proud Man as a sell out, but their relationship is more complicated and the two usually have each others back against discrimination. (Will and Carlton Banks would be a good model for their relationship. Pick an episode when Will and Carlton are at their most antagonistic for their usual relationship, and an episode where Will and Carlton are both victims of racism to see how they'll team up against a common foe). The Proud Man gets on very well with The Nuclear Family (The Rebel calls him an enabler), and occasionally offers advice or steps into the mantle to help The Nuclear Family portray something outside their experience. (Going back to The Fresh Prince. Uncle Phil and Vivian are usually The Nuclear Family, but The Proud Man does the scenes where they talk about their civil rights activism).
                  • The Detective. A walking cowboy cop cliche. Suspected to be The Freeman under another mantle. Some say this is impossible since The Freeman is against the government interfering in people's lives. Others say this is simply proof that The Freeman has a "freedom for me but not for thee" streak of hierocracy.
                  • The Company Man. Another empty mantle that can be worn by any god in the pantheon. Whomever wears it doesn't become The Company Man so much as they become Themself Playing The Company Man. Because nearly all company men in the world are someone else playing a role. Even The Rebel can be occasionally found serving coffee with a smile before they go home to tweet about how exploitative their employer is. That said, the majority of its manifestations are The Nuclear Family bringing home the bacon. Never under estimate The Company Man. He might look like a drone loyal to his employer but there's always something he cares more about, and he can deny you your insurance claim with a flick of the pen.
                  • High School. The most unusual god in the pantheon. High School is not the god of schools at all. They are "The God of the one life experience every American has shared" and spend most of their time trying to unify the country. They do want people to get a good education though. In The World they usually manifest as stock high school situations like a prom and play all the background extras. Whomever they're manifesting too will usually take on the appearance of their childhood self. The idea is that people who think they have nothing in common can see themselves in a situation they both lived through. Being the god of shared experiences means that High School can easily create syncretic manifestations with any other member of the pantheon, casting them as a stock high school charachter.

                  Last edited by The Kings Raven; 12-23-2022, 05:51 AM.


                  “There are no rules. Only Principles and natural laws.” - Promethius
                  My Homebrew no longer fits in a signature, you can find an index of it here.
                  Full length fan-books I contributed too: Princess: the Hopeful, Leviathan: the Tempest, Dream Catchers

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                  • #39
                    So, a brief update/expansion of sorts.

                    Primordials

                    The American Dream
                    The Founding Fathers

                    The American Dream has no Scions, but probably inspires Saints. The Founding Fathers may or may not have Scions, I'm not sure yet. (If they did, the Callings would probably be Leader, Sage, and Shepherd.)


                    Major Gods

                    America (Tripple Goddess)
                    • Columbia - Guardian, Leader, Shepherd
                    • Lady Liberty - Guardian, Healer, Leader
                    • Lady Justice - Guardian, Judge, Sage
                    Uncle Sam - Guardian, Leader, Warrior

                    Other Gods (partial list)

                    The Working Class Hero (aka John Henry, Pecos Bill, Mose Humphrey, Joe Magarac, and many others) - Creator, Guardian, Sage
                    The Everyman (aka John Q. Public, The Silent Majority, The Jones, etc.) - Guardian, Lover, Judge or Sage
                    The American Idol - Leader, Lover, Trickster
                    Necessity, Mother of Invention - Creator, Sage, [one other]
                    The Unknown Soldier - Guardian, Luminal, Warrior


                    Titans

                    Leviathan/The State (aka Big Brother, The Military Industrial Complex) - Destroyer, Leader, Tyrant
                    Behemoth/Industry (aka Big Business, The Corporation, O'Mighty Dollar) - Lover, Tyrant, [one other]
                    The Boogieman - Adversary, Hunter, Monster

                    Still hammering out a lot of details, including Purviews, Virtues, and other odds and ends.


                    What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
                    Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
                      So, a brief update/expansion of sorts.

                      Primordials

                      The American Dream
                      The Founding Fathers

                      The American Dream has no Scions, but probably inspires Saints. The Founding Fathers may or may not have Scions, I'm not sure yet. (If they did, the Callings would probably be Leader, Sage, and Shepherd.)


                      Major Gods

                      America (Tripple Goddess)
                      • Columbia - Guardian, Leader, Shepherd
                      • Lady Liberty - Guardian, Healer, Leader
                      • Lady Justice - Guardian, Judge, Sage
                      Uncle Sam - Guardian, Leader, Warrior

                      Other Gods (partial list)

                      The Working Class Hero (aka John Henry, Pecos Bill, Mose Humphrey, Joe Magarac, and many others) - Creator, Guardian, Sage
                      The Everyman (aka John Q. Public, The Silent Majority, The Jones, etc.) - Guardian, Lover, Judge or Sage
                      The American Idol - Leader, Lover, Trickster
                      Necessity, Mother of Invention - Creator, Sage, [one other]
                      The Unknown Soldier - Guardian, Luminal, Warrior


                      Titans

                      Leviathan/The State (aka Big Brother, The Military Industrial Complex) - Destroyer, Leader, Tyrant
                      Behemoth/Industry (aka Big Business, The Corporation, O'Mighty Dollar) - Lover, Tyrant, [one other]
                      The Boogieman - Adversary, Hunter, Monster

                      Still hammering out a lot of details, including Purviews, Virtues, and other odds and ends.
                      Seems pretty solid so far. Keep going with.

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                      • #41
                        I will mention that some of the gods have developed Titanic mantels, such as Uncle Sam as Uncle Sugar (an antagonistic figure to many of the pantheons of Latin America and the Caribbean, as well as others), or the Everyman as The Mob (as in torches and pitchforks, not organized crime).


                        What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
                        Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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                        • #42
                          Well, the Orisha don't believe in Titans anyway; so it wouldn't be inappropriate for the American Gods to have Titanic “evil twins”. Leave it up to the Storyguide as to which mantle the actual god favors and which is an unwanted result of Fatebinding: if you want the Pantheon to be a more or less noble one, its gods favor the regular Mantles and struggle against the Titanic ones; if you want the Pantheon to be more or less destructive, have its gods favor the Titanic Mantles and only use the regular Mantles when convenient or when forced to. That gives both sides of the argument without taking sides.
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                          • #43
                            My general thinking is that these are aspects/incarnations that have been corrupted by the three main Titans, and that the pantheon as a whole is in serious danger of falling to its Titans (which is something I don't think we have seen yet with any of the existing pantheons, IIRC).

                            I'm also poking at the idea of a cult of sorcerers called the Wizards of Menlo Park.


                            What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
                            Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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                            • #44
                              I tend to look at the various Gods from a long term Perspective and comparatively modern thought doesn't really bother them very much. While she does protect immigrants and promotes various rights and such, she would likely respond about Manifest Destiny with, 'What of it? As every civilization seeking to promote it's own values will go to War with those it might perceive as a potential threat, so I did when it was needed. It is not now. And I prefer keeping it that way.", with the subtext of you really don't want Her going that way again.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
                                I will mention that some of the gods have developed Titanic mantels, such as Uncle Sam as Uncle Sugar (an antagonistic figure to many of the pantheons of Latin America and the Caribbean, as well as others), or the Everyman as The Mob (as in torches and pitchforks, not organized crime).
                                Here's an absolutely crazy idea that veers dangerously into the political. What if the general pattern is is not God & Titan. But two mantles both with 2 regular callings and one titanic calling. The idea being that with America's current political divisions is dividing the gods into opposing mantles. Each getting two regular Callings from the side of America that supports them, and a Titanic mantle from the side that opposes them.

                                So The Everyman has Lover, Judge, and Tyrant representing family values (Lover), the voice of common decency (Judge), but also trying to enforce his values (Tyrant). Its counterpart The Mob has Lover, Guardian, and Destroyer representing solidarity (Lover), fighting for the little guy (Guardian), but also tearing down the status quo without an idea of how to replace it (Destroyer).

                                This would also help with the one thing I found a bit odd above, which is the idea of the state and big business as purely titanic forces. Even now America's relation to those concepts is far more nuanced, e.g. everyone demanding medicare for all is not going to see the state as a titan.
                                Last edited by The Kings Raven; 01-23-2023, 01:03 PM.


                                “There are no rules. Only Principles and natural laws.” - Promethius
                                My Homebrew no longer fits in a signature, you can find an index of it here.
                                Full length fan-books I contributed too: Princess: the Hopeful, Leviathan: the Tempest, Dream Catchers

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