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  • burnforme
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    Originally posted by Dogstar View Post

    No, you just need more dots in Auspex to counteract more dots in Obfuscate/Chimerstry. When you want to detect someone who is Obfuscated you're still using Heightened Senses not Aura Reading, Psychic Touch, Telepathy, etc (i.e. the first 'level' power). A better rating simply allows you to overcome those who have a higher rating in Obfusctae/Chimerstry
    Ah, okey this makes more sense.
    Thanks.
    Auspex just naturally senses the unseen, outside the normal powers
    The sidebar states that
    "When a vampire tries to use her
    heightened perceptions to notice a Kindred
    hidden with Obfuscate...
    "
    Doesn't this mean you must have Auspex activated? the problem with what you stated is that Auspex requires you to activate it in order to get the benefits and thats why i always thought breaking through Obfuscate works with second level Auspex.


    By the RAW it looks like Aura Perception is a one and done situation. When you use it you get the flash of information and that's it. Many STs, myself included, may rules as long as you concentrate you can continue to read the shifting colors of the aura, requiring a roll each turn.
    Yes it seems so, as one of Malkavian combos(Days of Passions Past) also states " Vampires with Auspex can take their chances and try to interpret a person's mood at that very moment from an aura."
    Which seems to suggest is a one turn thing. thanks for info i might use this my own.

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  • Vilenecromancer
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    Originally posted by burnforme View Post
    am i correct that this is done with second level Auspex?
    Sadly no. Auspex just naturally senses the unseen, outside the normal powers. You can use aura perception when you sense the unseen, but by default you don't. Sense the unseen more supplements Auspex rather then requires certain powers to do.

    Originally posted by burnforme View Post
    Another:When you use Aura reading does that only work for one turn per scene? i mean if player A asks a question and uses Auspex and then he can see player B Aura in next turn(player b turn) will he be able to continue see his Aura for duration of whole conversation? or does it only last for a single turn?i kinda see more success than two rather unnecessarily in this case hence the book states you:"Can detect subtle shifts" with 4 successes and i guess this is only useful if player A keeps asking questions and check how players B Aura shifts each time in reaction.
    By the RAW it looks like Aura Perception is a one and done situation. When you use it you get the flash of information and that's it. Many STs, myself included, may rules as long as you concentrate you can continue to read the shifting colors of the aura, requiring a roll each turn.

    V20 doesn't list durations for a lot of its powers, sadly, leaving it up in the air. This points to the fact V20 focuses more on creating a story, and gives enough rules to play around with. If you're the ST, I recommend playing fast and loose with the rules honestly. If you're a player, just ask your ST how they handle some things.

    As for the "subtle shifts", yeah I never got that either.

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  • Dogstar
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    Originally posted by burnforme View Post
    am i correct that this is done with second level Auspex?
    No, you just need more dots in Auspex to counteract more dots in Obfuscate/Chimerstry. When you want to detect someone who is Obfuscated you're still using Heightened Senses not Aura Reading, Psychic Touch, Telepathy, etc (i.e. the first 'level' power). A better rating simply allows you to overcome those who have a higher rating in Obfusctae/Chimerstry

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  • Mizu
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    I don't think our unconscious mind controls comas, though. They are caused by outside factors damaging your body until your brain glitches in a way it was never meant to as opposed to sleep being a natural function performed by a healthy brain.

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  • burnforme
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    Originally posted by Vilenecromancer View Post
    Page 142 of the core book details the rules you're looking for quiet well. To summarize it a bit, Auspex can be used to sense hidden supernaturals and pierce illusions. In game terms the Auspex user rolls a Perception + Awareness against the target's Manipulation + Subterfuge, difficulty 7 for both.

    There's extra things when used against Obfuscate and Chimestry, but those are clearly listed on the page. It's under the side bar called Seeing the Unseen can't miss it.
    Thanks.
    I did read that sidebar however i am not sure, am i correct that this is done with second level Auspex? if so do you need to also consider rules of second level Auspex for this in addition? i mean the focus part that you use to read Auras.
    I know the sidebar doesn't really have any confusion on how it works but actually using this in gameplay is something else, as my group does asks how this is working beyond a simple roll.

    How about my other question regarding Aura reading?

    Btw the side bar on page 152 kinda answers your dominate questions. Effectively you don't really need to see their eyes just need to look them where their eyes should be. Even if the target is blind or pluck their eyes out, dominate can still affect them.

    Also in v20, dominate can make your target sleep as it's a listed example in the v20 dark ages rules. Most likely as long as they're not endangering themselves by doing it, they'll attempt to go to sleep, aka lay down and close their eyes. This was changed in v5 as, like you said, people can't do that on command.

    I guess V5 makes more sense here.
    Thank you.


    @Mizu
    I think for first level of Dominate this might be alright(Sleep command) but with this logic it might open a lot of other roads to abuse Dominate in higher levels. like,maybe someone can argue a command like go in coma to send a mortal into a coma.

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  • Mizu
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    It seems like magical vampire mind control should not have any trouble influencing the unconscious of your mind and induce sleep.

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  • Vilenecromancer
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    Btw the side bar on page 152 kinda answers your dominate questions. Effectively you don't really need to see their eyes just need to look them where their eyes should be. Even if the target is blind or pluck their eyes out, dominate can still affect them.

    Also in v20, dominate can make your target sleep as it's a listed example in the v20 dark ages rules. Most likely as long as they're not endangering themselves by doing it, they'll attempt to go to sleep, aka lay down and close their eyes. This was changed in v5 as, like you said, people can't do that on command.

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  • Vilenecromancer
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    Page 142 of the core book details the rules you're looking for quiet well. To summarize it a bit, Auspex can be used to sense hidden supernaturals and pierce illusions. In game terms the Auspex user rolls a Perception + Awareness against the target's Manipulation + Subterfuge, difficulty 7 for both.

    There's extra things when used against Obfuscate and Chimestry, but those are clearly listed on the page. It's under the side bar called Seeing the Unseen can't miss it.

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  • burnforme
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    Some Disciplines questions[V20]

    Hi
    So i am rather new to whole story telling and Vampire system and i am trying to figure somethings out. so i would be bothering you guys for next few days. sorry and thanks in advance.

    My Discipline questions are mostly regarding Auspex. I understand that you can use Auspex to counter Obfuscate and it seems you can use Auspex to counter level 3 Obfuscate as well. however i wasn't able to find anything about this after searching the internet and here so i decided to finally ask.

    Now i presume you can fight Chemistry with Auspex as well, but for now, how does Auspex work against level 3 Obfuscate?do you use second level that allows you to read Auras for this?if so when you use it do the whole Obfuscate illusion is gone for you or is it only gone for the duration of the activation?
    I know you need to have Auspex 3 or 4 in order to break Obfuscate 3, but i always presumed regardless of your Auspex level this is always done by second level Auspex. even if the Obfuscated vampire is only using Unseen Presence.

    Another Auspex related question, you can see the Aura of ghosts with Auspex. how does this work?As i understand ghosts can show themselves in some manner that is obvious their are ghosts. so what is function of Auspex here? does Auspex 2 allow you to see Ghosts that are in hidden and therefore thats the function of seeing Ghost Aura? or perhaps you can see the Aura when they posses a mortal(as some of them can do)?

    Another:When you use Aura reading does that only work for one turn per scene? i mean if player A asks a question and uses Auspex and then he can see player B Aura in next turn(player b turn) will he be able to continue see his Aura for duration of whole conversation? or does it only last for a single turn?i kinda see more success than two rather unnecessarily in this case hence the book states you:"Can detect subtle shifts" with 4 successes and i guess this is only useful if player A keeps asking questions and check how players B Aura shifts each time in reaction.

    Two Dominate questions: i know you need to see the eyes in order for it to work, but how long is the range of this? i always presumed it will need to be in just few meters but seeing how Mass Dominate works in L.A by night i have my doubts.

    Dominate allows you to use a command like Sleep. how does this work?i know under affect of dominate you must do what you are told but actually Sleeping is not something that people can do by choice so how does this work?does the person dominated simply lays down?

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