OPP V5 and what I like about it

[MrNatas]

I call for skill checks all the time. My games are often very weighted in the political drama spectrum, so my players like to make sure they have the information to act, the allies to back them, and the court to support them. This means, knowledge rolls, charisma rolls, subterfuge rolls, manipulation rolls, spending blood to make ghouls, keep ghouls, and spending time on deals and maneuvering pieces.

Sometimes a session will have no rolls and sometimes a session will have 10 rolls back-to-back. I think just saying, "well I don't have an issue with this," isn't exactly a shining recommendation of a mechanic. Especially when said risk mechanic isn't fun to deal with. And yes, I get it the idea being it to add tension and a wrench into the works and makes the resource management aspect of blood something the player does constantly. (Players are going to keep hunger dice to a minimum at all times if available.)

As Ragged Robin stated, you can either roll infrequently so that the mechanic becomes closer to its intended goal to add risk to rolls for drama or as Heavy Arms stated, roll frequently and have 1-2 messy critical a session and the mechanic becomes an albatross.

[CTPhipps]

I should clarify that what I'm suggesting is not a defense.

I have a reputation as one of V5's defenders but that's because I love certain elements and am happy to argue for them all night but rarely get asked about what I think is wrong with the setting. I think it's because of the assumption I'm a V5 stan.

I think V5 has a lot of problems and OPP did the best they could with what they had and the fact they weren't recruited for The Second Inquisition or The Sabbat is a worrying sign for the future. However, to get back to the "too much rolling", the biggest problem with V5 is not that there's way more rolling or way less rolling, it's the fact that the books never state how much rolling there should be.

V5 is CRIPPLINGLY short on examples of how to run the various news systems. There's very few example play and the crunch elements are often ignored for unnecessary fluff.

I think I said it in the original book's review, "Maybe we need less feeding styles and more inclusion of all 13 Clans."

[Ragged Robin]

I mean, it's too late for it now, but this is one of the key places nWW really fell down by keeping Onyx Path out of helping develop V5 (and thus WoD5 in general) rather than just OPP having a better handle on presenting the setting in ways that are easier to engage with.

Has it ever actually been explained why they decided against having oynx path design v5 and moving forward having them as primary source post white wolfs Implosion?

I get the impression the game would be in a lot better place if they done that.

[CTPhipps]

Has it ever actually been explained why they decided against having oynx path design v5 and moving forward having them as primary source post white wolfs Implosion?

I get the impression the game would be in a lot better place if they done that.

Well they hired a lot of the designers from it.

So it's more complicated than it sounds.

[Heavy Arms]

Um... what's the definition for "a lot" here?

Matthew Dawkins was the only regular Onyx Path freelancer that's done a lot of work on V5 outside of the Onyx Path books, and even then, most of his experience at that point was as a writer, not a developer. Who else that's developed a V5 book has meaningful developer credits with Onyx Path?