W5 auspices and forms

[Heavy Arms]

I have to admit, I am a bit surprised that Auspices don't have a Renown linked to them, which quashes a bunch of my previous speculations.

That aside, at the beginning, the blog-post says: "In game terms, if your tribe is what you do, your auspice is how you do it. It’s a different set of verbs, but those verbs reflect your approach" But looking at the verbs chosen for the Tribes and looking at the verbs for the Auspices calling them a "different set" seems a bit of a stretch. That whole verb-thing isn't as informative/representative as Justin Achilli seems to believe in my opinion. Maybe it the choices had been stricter with what verbs were chosen, there could be some value to this but as-is I don't really see any value in it. There's certainly overlap between Auspiece-verbs and Tribe-verbs.

Yeah, the verbs in the new blog make the problems with the previous one worse.

Also... there are other evocative parts of speech. If you use verbs for one, you can use nouns for the other. Mix-and-match verb-noun combos between the two picks also helps reinforce the idea that 11 Tribe x 5 Auspices is far more than 55 options.

Or at least adverbs, which might not be as clean linguistically, but at least help the idea of how Justin wants Tribe and Auspice to relate. "Lead Evenly," v. "Lead Avidly," plays into the idea of what you do, and how you do it, better than adding more verbs to a list.

[BadFurryFanFic]

Yeah, I can imagine it will be like Drive. Like, when you fail with your Rage-dice or something, you have to perform a task/duty associated with your Auspice as a way to recenter yourself or something along those lines.

*...gag...*

[Knightingale]

I mean, this also highlights how the in-setting explanation is a short bit at the beginning and what Justin Achilli is far more interested in is explaining the whole "what you do, how you do, verbs"-thing he constantly talks about. And he seems to really care about pushing the idea that no choice you make at character-creation puts any limitation on how you portray your character. Nothing gets pre-determined so-to-speak by these choices.

I'm asking myself if the auspice will give gifts list or if it will be more like H5 Drives. Like, boosting certain skills in certain situations and so on.

Yeah, I can imagine it will be like Drive. Like, when you fail with your Rage-dice or something, you have to perform a task/duty associated with your Auspice as a way to recenter yourself or something along those lines.

[Damian May]

The copying of WtF is getting rather silly,ngl.

But not unexpected considering JAs known and stated bias towards WtF over WtA.

[Helur]

I'm asking myself if the auspice will give gifts list or if it will be more like H5 Drives. Like, boosting certain skills in certain situations and so on.

[Ana Mizuki]

The text already says that Auspice is not given to Garou at birth anymore:

Derp, thank you for correcting me ^^''

So, once more we are taking directly from WtF.

As well, the hate for Luna that the Pure have is VERY specific to them. BSDs still have auspice gifts, so they do not reject her.

[Knightingale]

The text already says that Auspice is not given to Garou at birth anymore:

Similarly, most Garou believe that Luna, the spirit of the moon and sister to Gaia, grants her favor when one experiences their First Change.

[Ana Mizuki]

https://twitter.com/jachilli/status/1584959020040798208

So, yeah, garou without auspice.

I hate to be so harsh, but boy does that play foul on the metaphysics. The reason the Uratha auspice can be removed is that Luna in that game is not a neutral party offering aid/reflecting Gaia's anger. She is a powerful spirit like any other and her gifts are gifts of agreement. The Pure can wash that away, because auspice is not such an important part of being a werewolf.

But in WtA, auspice is something you have at birth and is part of being a garou as much as your breed is. Luna is a major deity to the garou and the universe, far more powerful than the Forsaken Luna.

The copying of WtF is getting rather silly,ngl.

[Knightingale]

"Every Garou (well, every Garou who’s a player’s character, and most Garou antagonists, too) has a tribe and an auspice."

We are getting our own Pure?

It also says...

Indeed, some Garou lean into the Rage and monstrosity of being a werewolf… but they haven’t exactly advanced Gaia’s cause, and may in fact be working against her.

Guess this is the route we're gonna go with the "The Get are fallen"-thing.

[Ana Mizuki]

"Every Garou (well, every Garou who’s a player’s character, and most Garou antagonists, too) has a tribe and an auspice."

We are getting our own Pure?

[Knightingale]

That certainly would be a re-imagination if you were to turn one form into a stealthy "dog-form" and the dire-wolf-form is now replaced with a genuine wolf-form.

That aside, at the beginning, the blog-post says: "In game terms, if your tribe is what you do, your auspice is how you do it. It’s a different set of verbs, but those verbs reflect your approach" But looking at the verbs chosen for the Tribes and looking at the verbs for the Auspices calling them a "different set" seems a bit of a stretch. That whole verb-thing isn't as informative/representative as Justin Achilli seems to believe in my opinion. Maybe it the choices had been stricter with what verbs were chosen, there could be some value to this but as-is I don't really see any value in it. There's certainly overlap between Auspiece-verbs and Tribe-verbs.

[Ana Mizuki]

It's probably just a extra way for werewolves to be sneaky

As much as I agree, WoD is STILL set in mostly our world. Unless the dog of WoD5 are HUGE or the wolves tiny, this just reads like a bad case of research failure. Which, given just how on point WtA has been about wolves, is a downgrade.

[Damian May]

Hispo being ' a big dog' is kinda.....well, I guess if they're counting Clifford it works.

[Nicolas Milioni]

It's probably just a extra way for werewolves to be sneaky

[Ana Mizuki]

Part of the re-imagination is that the fifth form is now called "Canis" XD...

I mean, if they allowed wolfdog/coywolves/etc. sure. I'd not even be mad because most US wolves ARE mixes.

But come on, Google is free.