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  • #16
    To add something that might interest You:
    1. There are two major caerns - Sept of Blood Fist in Germany (Black Forrest) and Tri Spiral in Ireland.
    2. Margrave is from Germany.
    3. If You're searching for BN from that area - check Rage ccg examples.
    4. Check Caerns places of power book.
    5. In Poland there are Red Talons and Shadow Lords but country is influenced and maby even controled by vampires from Ventrue and Tzimisce clans, and maby others tied to Catholic church,
    6. Europe is rich with legends so dive into them cause many are very in WtA style. For example in tomes ,,Of Polish kings" written by Paweł Jasienica there are early myths and legends about wandering tribe of peoples changing into wolves by night dating in times when first tribes settled.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post

      This is why I generally just ignore the divides. Especially as some fera are very specific (kitsune, nuwisha) while others include ALL the snakes and ALL the spiders. So I generally go by animal location and make up house rules for Qualmi not from NA and Kitsune not from East-Asia.
      I never really delved into the subject, but then part of the mythology of a number of these Fera relates to the parts of the world they have been conceptually associated with, no?

      I might partly excuse their having more limited ranges than the animals they are associated with would imply by vicissitudes of the War of Rage and how it messed up both the Fera proper and their kinfolk populations (that are as important, if not more so, to their continued survival as people).

      Partly. Until some fancy idea of a group of snakefolk, fox-people or whatever associated with another part of the world where their associated animal thrives, that is.

      Like skull pigs & corrupted Grondr in Brasil through mix-up with tales about queixadas (peccaries), caiporas & local "werewolf" folklore (where in some tellings they transform in giant wild pigs instead of wolves, among other things), for example.
      Last edited by Baaldam; 08-05-2023, 12:50 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Baaldam View Post
        I never really delved into the subject, but then part of the mythology of a number of these Fera relates to the parts of the world they have been conceptually associated with, no?

        I might partly excuse their having more limited ranges than the animals they are associated with would imply by vicissitudes of the War of Rage and how it messed up both the Fera proper and their kinfolk populations (that are as important, if not more so, to their continued survival as people).
        Yes in sense that as others have said some of the Fera weren’t linked to their species populations rather a myth or thematic idea (Kitsune only in the East, no Camazotz in the Northern hemisphere), whilst the Garou and other Fera have travelled with their kinfolks migrations (or were there from the start).

        This could be explained by the Northern population of the Camazotz being destroyed in the War of Rage, but the OP could easily include them. (As they’re simply not mentioned).

        Depending on if you only want to include canon, in addition to the Savage Age books (which are very good), there’s an Owl and Mole shifter sourcebooks on The Storytellers Vault .

        I’m not so keen on the owls (as they’re limited to Mexico when Owls are prevalent worldwide), however the Moldwarps (Moles) are very good.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Arcanus View Post

          Yes in sense that as others have said some of the Fera weren’t linked to their species populations rather a myth or thematic idea (Kitsune only in the East, no Camazotz in the Northern hemisphere), whilst the Garou and other Fera have travelled with their kinfolks migrations (or were there from the start).
          Indeed, my main conceit is the War of Rage as explanation/excuse for this "thematic geography" restriction in canon - and turning the conceit on its head by coming up with homebrew populations of such Fera where a convenient bit of folklore to leverage can be found (such as in my "wereboars in Brasil" example).

          This could be explained by the Northern population of the Camazotz being destroyed in the War of Rage, but the OP could easily include them. (As they’re simply not mentioned).

          Originally posted by Arcanus View Post
          I’m not so keen on the owls (as they’re limited to Mexico when Owls are prevalent worldwide), however the Moldwarps (Moles) are very good.
          It does seem weird to limit wereowls like that when, while not quite the same, roman and greek myth, not to mention the folklore of Italy and a number of places with remnants of those cultures, have a lot of stuff relating owls with shapechanging, the dead & blood-drinking (strix, strigoi) not to mention hexing and witchcraft (stregheria/stregoneria), even in modern times to a degree, might be said.​

          (Damn, not gonna lie, mighty tempted to relocate the Furies to them, now that i really thought of it)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Baaldam View Post
            It does seem weird to limit wereowls like that when, while not quite the same, roman and greek myth, not to mention the folklore of Italy and a number of places with remnants of those cultures, have a lot of stuff relating owls with shapechanging, the dead & blood-drinking (strix, strigoi) not to mention hexing and witchcraft (stregheria/stregoneria), even in modern times to a degree, might be said.​

            (Damn, not gonna lie, mighty tempted to relocate the Furies to them, now that i really thought of it)
            Completely agree, really liked the idea but not the limitation especially as one of the premises is that they survived the war of rage by being unseen.

            We developed our own the Uwila based on the Old English name for Owl, but they could easily be the Strix.

            The Moldwarps are very good, full lore on a subterranean umbra of sorts and that they are essentially subterranean cleansers of the land and corruption (a variation of the Grondr).

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