Ghost Council Tribe Preview for W5

[ArcaneArts]

So what specificaly are we seeing? Fan-clubs?

half-baked souffles.

[AnubisXy]

Yeah it isn't subtle either. Yet another hed pasteded on yey work. I'm trying to see if the monk is also taken from somewhere.

Pry gonna get told to leave this thread like with the Glass Walkers, but I'll repeat that there's no excuse for lazy artist who just copy/paste existing material, give it a slight modification and then pass it off as their own. It's a bad look for the publisher when this garbage gets to print.

[BadFurryFanFic]

Yeah, that jawline, ear and neck..not to mention hair, jewellry, headress etc. is 100% Maria Franz. Wouldn't surprise me if every human figure done by this artist is copied from an online photo....its just the other subjects aren't famous enough to have been picked up yet.

[Damian May]

They hollowed out Older Brothers corpse and replaced the innards with.....nothing?

A win for cultural erasure....I guess?

[Psicose]

half-baked souffles.

Is that an American force of speech or are you being sarcastic?

[Ragged Robin]

They hollowed out Older Brothers corpse and replaced the innards with.....nothing?

A win for cultural erasure....I guess?

pretty much yeah, the one that really bothers me is the loss of wendigo/younger brother since were losing an representation of first nation canadians which as a brit, is sonething i dont really see.

[ArcaneArts]

Is that an American force of speech or are you being sarcastic?

I'm not sure what you mean by force of speech, but anyways, it's a metaphor.

[werewolf43]

I've been silently watching the previews and I have some of my own conclusions:

1. It's a new start. It's not the Werewolf the Apocalypse. It is not a Forsaken too, but strange game about werewolves drawing from both, being something copmpletly new.
2.If 1. theory is true, I don't have any expectations about the game and so I cut off the memory of past editions, they are diiferent games in different WoD.
3. If 1 and 2 is correct, I don't make any expectations about cultural ties to tribes, cause it seems that they are based on ideas not cultures.
4. If all above is ok for me, I don't have any expectations about art.

And so I buy for now what I see, reading it as if I wouldn't have any experience with WoD searching for interesting things for me, and so far I found some. So I've bought the game and even have idea to run it as shard world in umbra in my W20 campaign,

That is the most healthy approach for me, I'm 40 with health problems and so I have to be as far from emotional aproach as I can.

What is annoying that many shouted that Wendigo and Uktena are not represented well in WoD, so the company remade them and yeah, there are voices that the it's again messed. Golden rule - something is not good for you, change it, but yeah again people are lazy and they want everything handed them on a platter.

I have a feeling that I'm buying shit in golden paper, but as I wrote I found some interesting things there. For example concept of monk/priest werewolf from Ghost Council is very good in my opinion, it's a secretive character , maby a modern hermit, holy men in local inhabitants view (and still in some places in central and western Europe You'll find them), maby local legend. Tribe have something from Bone Shadows, something from Uktena, something reckless - do your job first, consequences later. I like it.

[MyWifeIsScary]

So... An entire tribe of cringe theurges doing their best to act sigma? As for the pictures, 3/4 look like larpers.

My expectations for W5 are so low I don't even think i'll borrow the book to sate a curiosity. I don't have the curiosity, it's dead. At least with V5 I can get angry, here I feel nothing but contempt. Out of three tribe previews, we have three vapid failures. It's not spicy bullshit like V5, it's just fuckin boring. At this rate I'm reckon even easy, relatively easy tribes to characterize like the Shadow Lords or Children of Gaia will be insipid word-count wastes.

[Ana Mizuki]

With the art issue, I need to be frank; This is NOT about using references. References are fine and help an artist a LOT. If the artist had used Heilung's promo art as a reference, no one would care.

It is the fact that we already went through this with the GW preview and that people on the spot could say "hey wait a minute" about it. Unless hired to depict the target specifically, similarities like this are not a good thing.

As for the tribe itself, I feel it is hurt by the removal of one of its core motives. Without trying to give the people hurt by the Wyrmcomers a voice and instead being about travel and seeking, the Ghost Council sounds like a weird Silent Strider copy. Which does not bode well for the Striders.

As Heavy Arms said, having 11 tribes to make into the same global generalist tribes as the Forsaken tribes are is not a good idea. Each tribe of the moon and pure held one specific niche that concepts could be drawn from. Especially as the two tribes removed from the pool were one of the stronger cases of unique concepts, the Fenrir being the War tribe and the Stargazers being a fully ascetic tribe of contemplation.

[werewolf43]

As for the tribe itself, I feel it is hurt by the removal of one of its core motives. Without trying to give the people hurt by the Wyrmcomers a voice and instead being about travel and seeking, the Ghost Council sounds like a weird Silent Strider copy. Which does not bode well for the Striders.

As Heavy Arms said, having 11 tribes to make into the same global generalist tribes as the Forsaken tribes are is not a good idea. Each tribe of the moon and pure held one specific niche that concepts could be drawn from. Especially as the two tribes removed from the pool were one of the stronger cases of unique concepts, the Fenrir being the War tribe and the Stargazers being a fully ascetic tribe of contemplation.

I agree in 100%. It is not WtA but a new game cause too many things are removed/ taken away/replaced that WtA isn't what it was anymore. That's the reason I treat W5 as something different without ties to Werewolf I know. The name of the fgame and the same name for tribes stayed and it's the main similarity. There are only few left.

Ripping out cultures tied to tribes, mixing and changing them removed the core from them, removed base that build the tribes in former editions. What's worse they mixed them a lot, borrowing things from one tribe and mixing with the other.

What's stunned me that they merged WtF and WtA in some themes, as I am reading the previews, So ... no expectatons.

[Knightingale]

Like, if you take the description of this Tribe as "seekers of mystery" and having a hunger for information (of any kind) which leads them to explore stuff and look for secrets, then... how is that supposed to be distinct when you look at the W5 descriptions of Silent Striders and Bone Gnawers in this version...

Silent Striders:
Masters of discovering hidden ways, the Silent Striders find themselves uniquely suited in finding their way back out again after having accomplished what they set out to do. Why not explore first and find out the best way, rather than the most direct? At worst, one may confirm another way not to undertake things. At best, one has discovered a way to get what one needs without anyone being any the wiser to the Silent Striders having been there.

Bone Gnawers:
The Bone Gnawers seek to discover the obscured in all its forms: secrets, passwords, shortcuts, anything they might use to advantage over the obvious. They are especially adept at hiding in plain sight and are often found among lower socioeconomic groups, those who go unseen by people who consider themselves superior and are careless about what their “lesser” think or witness.

When it comes to "looking for secrets" as an attribute you essentially have three Tribes that all have the same MO.

It would even have helped a little bit to limit the Ghost Council to being interested in spiritual secrets exclusively to at least give it some specificity. But no, stuff like investigating people and their secrets is included as well.

[Ragged Robin]

So... An entire tribe of cringe theurges doing their best to act sigma? As for the pictures, 3/4 look like larpers.

My expectations for W5 are so low I don't even think i'll borrow the book to sate a curiosity. I don't have the curiosity, it's dead. At least with V5 I can get angry, here I feel nothing but contempt. Out of three tribe previews, we have three vapid failures. It's not spicy bullshit like V5, it's just fuckin boring. At this rate I'm reckon even easy, relatively easy tribes to characterize like the Shadow Lords or Children of Gaia will be insipid word-count wastes.

whatever issues v5 has is more to do with execution than anything. For example a fragmented tremere could be a great plot arc with the right angle, it's just the execution is bad. In contrast w5 is the opposite of having ideas in that it's shedding concepts and replacing them with nothing.

[Fenixpp]

Hell, the image appropriation streak keeps on giving https://twitter.com/The_Toering/stat...33639145906201

[ZakRulz]

Yeah, that jawline, ear and neck..not to mention hair, jewellry, headress etc. is 100% Maria Franz. Wouldn't surprise me if every human figure done by this artist is copied from an online photo....it’s just the other subjects aren't famous enough to have been picked up yet.

After seeing this, I can’t say the hair is the same as Maria.

https://twitter.com/ellyawn/status/1661663969059172352?s=61&t=hxkMkkgJzKwyLC60noc0hg